From: gavino
Subject: coreserver seems to bring web to common lisp wow
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uses some prevayer concepts too

wow!

http://labs.core.gen.tr/#databaseprogramming

From: Rainer Joswig
Subject: Re: coreserver seems to bring web to common lisp wow
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From: gavino
Subject: Re: coreserver seems to bring web to common lisp wow
Date: 
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From: Alex Mizrahi
Subject: Re: coreserver seems to bring web to common lisp wow
Date: 
Message-ID: <48d7bc6f$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
 g> uses some prevayer concepts too
 g> wow!
 g> http://labs.core.gen.tr/#databaseprogramming

is it better than UCW? 
From: gavino
Subject: Re: coreserver seems to bring web to common lisp wow
Date: 
Message-ID: <1c336698-a9d5-415e-9993-b2d3e94523a0@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>
On Sep 22, 8:40 am, "Alex Mizrahi" <········@users.sourceforge.net>
wrote:
>  g> uses some prevayer concepts too
>  g> wow!
>  g>http://labs.core.gen.tr/#databaseprogramming
>
> is it better than UCW?

apparently it is

it more like happs

prevayler like....
From: Alex Mizrahi
Subject: Re: coreserver seems to bring web to common lisp wow
Date: 
Message-ID: <48d8a064$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
  g>>> uses some prevayer concepts too
  g>>> wow!
  g>>> http://labs.core.gen.tr/#databaseprogramming
 ??>>
 ??>> is it better than UCW?

 g> apparently it is

can you elaborate how exactly it is different?
what i see is same "ubercool" continuations promises.
plus ajax stuff -- but there is enough ajax in ucw+ and ucw_ajax
branches.

 g> prevayler like....

UCW does not dictate database choice so you can use prevalence with it too.

however, i won't call "prevayler" a database -- it's more like lack of 
thereof, that is
 -- you have to make one yourself, and prevayler is more like constraints to 
your
code that make transactions serializable.

while i agree with the idea of prevalence in general -- most databases can 
be
kept in RAM for better performance -- i think it is actually good to have a 
database,
that has object definition language, automatically builds indices, supports 
queries etc.
is there a layer on top of prevalence to have this, or it leaves you with 
bare lisp
definitions? 
From: ···············@gmail.com
Subject: Re: coreserver seems to bring web to common lisp wow
Date: 
Message-ID: <6692d0ef-4eb7-4d6a-9eb1-e3b1769579bc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
On Sep 23, 3:53 am, "Alex Mizrahi" <········@users.sourceforge.net>
wrote:
>   g>>> uses some prevayer concepts too
>   g>>> wow!
>   g>>>http://labs.core.gen.tr/#databaseprogramming
>  ??>>
>  ??>> is it better than UCW?
>
>  g> apparently it is
>
> can you elaborate how exactly it is different?
> what i see is same "ubercool" continuations promises.
> plus ajax stuff -- but there is enough ajax in ucw+ and ucw_ajax
> branches.

Asking gavino for actual technical expertise is pointless. He is
clearly a dilletante more interested in provoking "discussion" based
on nothing more than buzzwords linked together, with no more
understanding than can be produced by 5 minutes of web surfing. He
does not actually use (or want to use) technology, he just blathers
about it.
From: Pascal J. Bourguignon
Subject: Re: coreserver seems to bring web to common lisp wow
Date: 
Message-ID: <7ciqsm7uqx.fsf@pbourguignon.anevia.com>
················@gmail.com" <············@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sep 23, 3:53�am, "Alex Mizrahi" <········@users.sourceforge.net>
> wrote:
>> � g>>> uses some prevayer concepts too
>> � g>>> wow!
>> � g>>>http://labs.core.gen.tr/#databaseprogramming
>> �??>>
>> �??>> is it better than UCW?
>>
>> �g> apparently it is
>>
>> can you elaborate how exactly it is different?
>> what i see is same "ubercool" continuations promises.
>> plus ajax stuff -- but there is enough ajax in ucw+ and ucw_ajax
>> branches.
>
> Asking gavino for actual technical expertise is pointless. He is
> clearly a dilletante more interested in provoking "discussion" based
> on nothing more than buzzwords linked together, with no more
> understanding than can be produced by 5 minutes of web surfing. 


Not even.  If he could understand what can be got by 5 minutes of
web surfing, he wouldn't send half of his posts.  But he cannot. 
That's why he deserves no mercy.


People can learn.  gavino cannot.


> He does not actually use (or want to use) technology, he just blathers
> about it.

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__
From: Alex Mizrahi
Subject: Re: coreserver seems to bring web to common lisp wow
Date: 
Message-ID: <48da727c$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
 jg> Asking gavino for actual technical expertise is pointless. He is
 jg> clearly a dilletante more interested in provoking "discussion" based
 jg> on nothing more than buzzwords linked together, with no more
 jg> understanding than can be produced by 5 minutes of web surfing. He
 jg> does not actually use (or want to use) technology, he just blathers
 jg> about it.

yep, i know, it's just interesting what made him distinguish coreserver
from dozen or so other Lisp frameworks. do they have some better
buzzwords?