Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
thanks
Mark
On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
> Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
> understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
> my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
> recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
> reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
> CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB stick
would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on this. Anhow
just a thought.
Mark
On 22 Oct, 17:40, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
> > Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
> > understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
> > my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
> > recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
> > reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
> > CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>
> > thanks
>
> > Mark
>
> Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB stick
> would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on this. Anhow
> just a thought.
>
> Mark
DSL looks cool. Small is beautiful.
Mark
From: Javier
Subject: Re: live Linux for using Lisp - recommendations?
Date:
Message-ID: <gdnmpk$9lc$1@aioe.org>
Mark Tarver wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 17:40, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
>> > Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
>> > understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
>> > my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
>> > recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
>> > reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
>> > CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>>
>> > thanks
>>
>> > Mark
>>
>> Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB stick
>> would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on this. Anhow
>> just a thought.
>>
>> Mark
>
> DSL looks cool. Small is beautiful.
Puppy Linux is probably the best, and allows you to install it in an USB
stick, or in a rewritable CD. It is the faster OS I ever tried on a general
computer.
On 22 Oct, 18:10, Javier <·······@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Tarver wrote:
> > On 22 Oct, 17:40, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
> >> > Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
> >> > understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
> >> > my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
> >> > recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
> >> > reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
> >> > CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>
> >> > thanks
>
> >> > Mark
>
> >> Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB stick
> >> would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on this. Anhow
> >> just a thought.
>
> >> Mark
>
> > DSL looks cool. Small is beautiful.
>
> Puppy Linux is probably the best, and allows you to install it in an USB
> stick, or in a rewritable CD. It is the faster OS I ever tried on a general
> computer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks - you know I was just looking at their page right now! How's
that for synchronicity? That's worth a shot.
DSL doesn't seem to have any installation program I can find. Their
FTP just gives me a bunch of folders. And several links on their site
are dead.
Mark
On 22 Oct, 18:34, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 18:10, Javier <·······@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mark Tarver wrote:
> > > On 22 Oct, 17:40, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > >> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
> > >> > Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
> > >> > understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
> > >> > my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
> > >> > recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
> > >> > reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
> > >> > CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>
> > >> > thanks
>
> > >> > Mark
>
> > >> Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB stick
> > >> would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on this. Anhow
> > >> just a thought.
>
> > >> Mark
>
> > > DSL looks cool. Small is beautiful.
>
> > Puppy Linux is probably the best, and allows you to install it in an USB
> > stick, or in a rewritable CD. It is the faster OS I ever tried on a general
> > computer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks - you know I was just looking at their page right now! How's
> that for synchronicity? That's worth a shot.
>
> DSL doesn't seem to have any installation program I can find. Their
> FTP just gives me a bunch of folders. And several links on their site
> are dead.
>
> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well you know what - the guys who installed Ubuntu Linux for me (of
which I made rude remarks in the previous thread) left a 'live
install' CD with me 'which I can safely try' . Oh yeah.
Well I'll pop it into my machine and strap myself in, Says version
5.10 on the cover. Will back up first though.
Mark
On 22 Oct, 18:44, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 18:34, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 22 Oct, 18:10, Javier <·······@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Mark Tarver wrote:
> > > > On 22 Oct, 17:40, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >> On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > >> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
> > > >> > Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
> > > >> > understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
> > > >> > my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
> > > >> > recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
> > > >> > reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
> > > >> > CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>
> > > >> > thanks
>
> > > >> > Mark
>
> > > >> Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB stick
> > > >> would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on this. Anhow
> > > >> just a thought.
>
> > > >> Mark
>
> > > > DSL looks cool. Small is beautiful.
>
> > > Puppy Linux is probably the best, and allows you to install it in an USB
> > > stick, or in a rewritable CD. It is the faster OS I ever tried on a general
> > > computer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Thanks - you know I was just looking at their page right now! How's
> > that for synchronicity? That's worth a shot.
>
> > DSL doesn't seem to have any installation program I can find. Their
> > FTP just gives me a bunch of folders. And several links on their site
> > are dead.
>
> > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well you know what - the guys who installed Ubuntu Linux for me (of
> which I made rude remarks in the previous thread) left a 'live
> install' CD with me 'which I can safely try' . Oh yeah.
>
> Well I'll pop it into my machine and strap myself in, Says version
> 5.10 on the cover. Will back up first though.
>
> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
OK; blow by blow. After much chugging and grinding - Ubuntu appears
running live from the CD. I'm running this on my old laptop with my
desktop running XP so I can work with both. I'm going to use my USB
stick to move data from one to the other. The laptop is not Internet
connected.
First port of call - CLisp home for a CLisp under Ubuntu.
Mark
On 22 Oct, 19:18, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 18:44, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 22 Oct, 18:34, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On 22 Oct, 18:10, Javier <·······@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Mark Tarver wrote:
> > > > > On 22 Oct, 17:40, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > >> On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > >> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
> > > > >> > Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
> > > > >> > understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
> > > > >> > my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
> > > > >> > recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
> > > > >> > reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
> > > > >> > CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>
> > > > >> > thanks
>
> > > > >> > Mark
>
> > > > >> Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB stick
> > > > >> would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on this. Anhow
> > > > >> just a thought.
>
> > > > >> Mark
>
> > > > > DSL looks cool. Small is beautiful.
>
> > > > Puppy Linux is probably the best, and allows you to install it in an USB
> > > > stick, or in a rewritable CD. It is the faster OS I ever tried on a general
> > > > computer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Thanks - you know I was just looking at their page right now! How's
> > > that for synchronicity? That's worth a shot.
>
> > > DSL doesn't seem to have any installation program I can find. Their
> > > FTP just gives me a bunch of folders. And several links on their site
> > > are dead.
>
> > > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Well you know what - the guys who installed Ubuntu Linux for me (of
> > which I made rude remarks in the previous thread) left a 'live
> > install' CD with me 'which I can safely try' . Oh yeah.
>
> > Well I'll pop it into my machine and strap myself in, Says version
> > 5.10 on the cover. Will back up first though.
>
> > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> OK; blow by blow. After much chugging and grinding - Ubuntu appears
> running live from the CD. I'm running this on my old laptop with my
> desktop running XP so I can work with both. I'm going to use my USB
> stick to move data from one to the other. The laptop is not Internet
> connected.
>
> First port of call - CLisp home for a CLisp under Ubuntu.
>
> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ding! Round 1. And he's out of the corner and he's taken a shot to the
head -
http://packages.ubuntu.com/clisp
on CLisp home gives an error - server not available. So have to look
elsewhere.
Mark
From: Javier
Subject: Re: live Linux for using Lisp - recommendations?
Date:
Message-ID: <gdnrjm$scv$1@aioe.org>
Mark Tarver wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 19:18, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 22 Oct, 18:44, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 22 Oct, 18:34, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > > On 22 Oct, 18:10, Javier <·······@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Mark Tarver wrote:
>> > > > > On 22 Oct, 17:40, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> > > > >> On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > > > >> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is
>> > > > >> > to run Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp
>> > > > >> > from there. I understand this called a 'live installation'.
>> > > > >> > It saves cluttering up my disk drive with something that turns
>> > > > >> > out to be naff. Any recommendations/experience on live
>> > > > >> > Linuxes? Ease of installation, reliability and friendliness
>> > > > >> > are the main criteria. If it includes CLisp preinstalled
>> > > > >> > saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>>
>> > > > >> > thanks
>>
>> > > > >> > Mark
>>
>> > > > >> Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB
>> > > > >> stick would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on
>> > > > >> this. Anhow just a thought.
>>
>> > > > >> Mark
>>
>> > > > > DSL looks cool. Small is beautiful.
>>
>> > > > Puppy Linux is probably the best, and allows you to install it in
>> > > > an USB stick, or in a rewritable CD. It is the faster OS I ever
>> > > > tried on a general computer.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > Thanks - you know I was just looking at their page right now! How's
>> > > that for synchronicity? That's worth a shot.
>>
>> > > DSL doesn't seem to have any installation program I can find. Their
>> > > FTP just gives me a bunch of folders. And several links on their
>> > > site are dead.
>>
>> > > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Well you know what - the guys who installed Ubuntu Linux for me (of
>> > which I made rude remarks in the previous thread) left a 'live
>> > install' CD with me 'which I can safely try' . Oh yeah.
>>
>> > Well I'll pop it into my machine and strap myself in, Says version
>> > 5.10 on the cover. Will back up first though.
>>
>> > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> OK; blow by blow. After much chugging and grinding - Ubuntu appears
>> running live from the CD. I'm running this on my old laptop with my
>> desktop running XP so I can work with both. I'm going to use my USB
>> stick to move data from one to the other. The laptop is not Internet
>> connected.
>>
>> First port of call - CLisp home for a CLisp under Ubuntu.
>>
>> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Ding! Round 1. And he's out of the corner and he's taken a shot to the
> head -
>
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/clisp
>
> on CLisp home gives an error - server not available. So have to look
> elsewhere.
>
> Mark
You are using a very old and not supported version of Ubuntu.
Use a modern one.
On 22 Oct, 19:32, Javier <·······@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Tarver wrote:
> > On 22 Oct, 19:18, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On 22 Oct, 18:44, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> > On 22 Oct, 18:34, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> > > On 22 Oct, 18:10, Javier <·······@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Mark Tarver wrote:
> >> > > > > On 22 Oct, 17:40, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > > > >> On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> > > > >> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is
> >> > > > >> > to run Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp
> >> > > > >> > from there. I understand this called a 'live installation'.
> >> > > > >> > It saves cluttering up my disk drive with something that turns
> >> > > > >> > out to be naff. Any recommendations/experience on live
> >> > > > >> > Linuxes? Ease of installation, reliability and friendliness
> >> > > > >> > are the main criteria. If it includes CLisp preinstalled
> >> > > > >> > saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>
> >> > > > >> > thanks
>
> >> > > > >> > Mark
>
> >> > > > >> Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB
> >> > > > >> stick would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on
> >> > > > >> this. Anhow just a thought.
>
> >> > > > >> Mark
>
> >> > > > > DSL looks cool. Small is beautiful.
>
> >> > > > Puppy Linux is probably the best, and allows you to install it in
> >> > > > an USB stick, or in a rewritable CD. It is the faster OS I ever
> >> > > > tried on a general computer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > > Thanks - you know I was just looking at their page right now! How's
> >> > > that for synchronicity? That's worth a shot.
>
> >> > > DSL doesn't seem to have any installation program I can find. Their
> >> > > FTP just gives me a bunch of folders. And several links on their
> >> > > site are dead.
>
> >> > > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > Well you know what - the guys who installed Ubuntu Linux for me (of
> >> > which I made rude remarks in the previous thread) left a 'live
> >> > install' CD with me 'which I can safely try' . Oh yeah.
>
> >> > Well I'll pop it into my machine and strap myself in, Says version
> >> > 5.10 on the cover. Will back up first though.
>
> >> > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> OK; blow by blow. After much chugging and grinding - Ubuntu appears
> >> running live from the CD. I'm running this on my old laptop with my
> >> desktop running XP so I can work with both. I'm going to use my USB
> >> stick to move data from one to the other. The laptop is not Internet
> >> connected.
>
> >> First port of call - CLisp home for a CLisp under Ubuntu.
>
> >> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Ding! Round 1. And he's out of the corner and he's taken a shot to the
> > head -
>
> >http://packages.ubuntu.com/clisp
>
> > on CLisp home gives an error - server not available. So have to look
> > elsewhere.
>
> > Mark
>
> You are using a very old and not supported version of Ubuntu.
> Use a modern one.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Gee - premature aging these days is tough. Only three years and
already old and cranky. OK, lets see what gramps can do anyhow.
Its the only live Linux disk to hand.
OK, story so far. Ubuntu packages site seems down. So on to
Sourceforge. Eventially I find myself in
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clisp/1:2.38-1ubuntu5
where there is a file clisp_2.38.orig.tar.gz. I download that and
copy it to the laptop running live Ubuntu. Will it install?
Mark
On 22 Oct, 20:11, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 19:32, Javier <·······@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mark Tarver wrote:
> > > On 22 Oct, 19:18, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> On 22 Oct, 18:44, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > >> > On 22 Oct, 18:34, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > >> > > On 22 Oct, 18:10, Javier <·······@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > Mark Tarver wrote:
> > >> > > > > On 22 Oct, 17:40, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> > > > >> On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > >> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is
> > >> > > > >> > to run Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp
> > >> > > > >> > from there. I understand this called a 'live installation'.
> > >> > > > >> > It saves cluttering up my disk drive with something that turns
> > >> > > > >> > out to be naff. Any recommendations/experience on live
> > >> > > > >> > Linuxes? Ease of installation, reliability and friendliness
> > >> > > > >> > are the main criteria. If it includes CLisp preinstalled
> > >> > > > >> > saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>
> > >> > > > >> > thanks
>
> > >> > > > >> > Mark
>
> > >> > > > >> Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB
> > >> > > > >> stick would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on
> > >> > > > >> this. Anhow just a thought.
>
> > >> > > > >> Mark
>
> > >> > > > > DSL looks cool. Small is beautiful.
>
> > >> > > > Puppy Linux is probably the best, and allows you to install it in
> > >> > > > an USB stick, or in a rewritable CD. It is the faster OS I ever
> > >> > > > tried on a general computer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> > > Thanks - you know I was just looking at their page right now! How's
> > >> > > that for synchronicity? That's worth a shot.
>
> > >> > > DSL doesn't seem to have any installation program I can find. Their
> > >> > > FTP just gives me a bunch of folders. And several links on their
> > >> > > site are dead.
>
> > >> > > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> > Well you know what - the guys who installed Ubuntu Linux for me (of
> > >> > which I made rude remarks in the previous thread) left a 'live
> > >> > install' CD with me 'which I can safely try' . Oh yeah.
>
> > >> > Well I'll pop it into my machine and strap myself in, Says version
> > >> > 5.10 on the cover. Will back up first though.
>
> > >> > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> OK; blow by blow. After much chugging and grinding - Ubuntu appears
> > >> running live from the CD. I'm running this on my old laptop with my
> > >> desktop running XP so I can work with both. I'm going to use my USB
> > >> stick to move data from one to the other. The laptop is not Internet
> > >> connected.
>
> > >> First port of call - CLisp home for a CLisp under Ubuntu.
>
> > >> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Ding! Round 1. And he's out of the corner and he's taken a shot to the
> > > head -
>
> > >http://packages.ubuntu.com/clisp
>
> > > on CLisp home gives an error - server not available. So have to look
> > > elsewhere.
>
> > > Mark
>
> > You are using a very old and not supported version of Ubuntu.
> > Use a modern one.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Gee - premature aging these days is tough. Only three years and
> already old and cranky. OK, lets see what gramps can do anyhow.
> Its the only live Linux disk to hand.
>
> OK, story so far. Ubuntu packages site seems down. So on to
> Sourceforge. Eventially I find myself in
>
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clisp/1:2.38-1ubuntu5
>
> where there is a file clisp_2.38.orig.tar.gz. I download that and
> copy it to the laptop running live Ubuntu. Will it install?
>
> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
OK - uncompressed it and here for tonight I stop. Too much Linux-
related jollity late at night is not good for the health. Will resume
tomorrow.
Good night from the UK - or if you're on the West coast - have a great
day.
Mark
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:31:58 -0700, Mark Tarver wrote:
> OK - uncompressed it and here for tonight I stop. Too much Linux-
> related jollity late at night is not good for the health. Will resume
> tomorrow.
>
> Good night from the UK - or if you're on the West coast - have a great
> day.
You seem to be confusing c.l.l with your personal blog. Feel free to ask
questions that would help you setup a working Lisp environment, but I
don't really care about the minutiae of your struggles with computers.
Tamas
On 22 Oct, 20:36, Tamas K Papp <······@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:31:58 -0700, Mark Tarver wrote:
> > OK - uncompressed it and here for tonight I stop. Too much Linux-
> > related jollity late at night is not good for the health. Will resume
> > tomorrow.
>
> > Good night from the UK - or if you're on the West coast - have a great
> > day.
>
> You seem to be confusing c.l.l with your personal blog. Feel free to ask
> questions that would help you setup a working Lisp environment, but I
> don't really care about the minutiae of your struggles with computers.
>
> Tamas
My my, a bit tetchy.
Struggles with computers is a large part of what programming in one
shape or form is about. Lighten up and stop being so ill-humoured.
And if you don't want to read this thread - don't read or contribute
to it.
Reason I'm tabulating issue numbers, downloads etc. is that I bet 6-1
tomorrow CLisp will not install or run in any easy way. And if I ask
'What went wrong' people will know what version of Ubuntu I used, what
version of CLisp and where I got it all from. Should all this prove
unnecessary minutiae, I would be delighted.
And thats me signing off.
Mark
On 22 Oct, 21:04, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 20:36, Tamas K Papp <······@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:31:58 -0700, Mark Tarver wrote:
> > > OK - uncompressed it and here for tonight I stop. Too much Linux-
> > > related jollity late at night is not good for the health. Will resume
> > > tomorrow.
>
> > > Good night from the UK - or if you're on the West coast - have a great
> > > day.
>
> > You seem to be confusing c.l.l with your personal blog. Feel free to ask
> > questions that would help you setup a working Lisp environment, but I
> > don't really care about the minutiae of your struggles with computers.
>
> > Tamas
>
> My my, a bit tetchy.
>
> Struggles with computers is a large part of what programming in one
> shape or form is about. Lighten up and stop being so ill-humoured.
> And if you don't want to read this thread - don't read or contribute
> to it.
>
> Reason I'm tabulating issue numbers, downloads etc. is that I bet 6-1
> tomorrow CLisp will not install or run in any easy way. And if I ask
> 'What went wrong' people will know what version of Ubuntu I used, what
> version of CLisp and where I got it all from. Should all this prove
> unnecessary minutiae, I would be delighted.
>
> And thats me signing off.
>
> Mark
Yes; and it did fail much as I thought. The Linux people are paddling
away - don't want to even discuss this version so I won't provide more
details.
* But I mean, heck, this is a professionally produced CD which
advertises itself on the back cover blurb as easy to install and
suitable for education (got a smiling kid on the front, motto 'linux
for human beings').* Whereas the reality is that its beta grade stuff
with a VT100 era inbuilt editor and we don't want to talk about it too
much because it belongs to the embarrassing and twilit past of 2005 -
right? Perhaps Linux distros should have a health warning on the
packet like cigarettes THIS SOFTWARE CAN INJURE YOUR LEISURE TIME.
I'm persuaded. Save the abuse. I'm going to do something else more
interesting. But it was not a total washout because I found the
latest CLisp and loaded it with self-installing program onto XP. Took
two minutes and works like a charm.
I'm going to follow Javier's advice and try Pup. Anybody who's
experimented with CLisp on a live Linux installation can mail me and
I'll give it a try.
Mark
On 23 out, 06:03, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> * But I mean, heck, this is a professionally produced CD which
> advertises itself on the back cover blurb as easy to install and
> suitable for education (got a smiling kid on the front, motto 'linux
> for human beings').* Whereas the reality is that its beta grade stuff
> with a VT100 era inbuilt editor and we don't want to talk about it too
> much because it belongs to the embarrassing and twilit past of 2005 -
> right? Perhaps Linux distros should have a health warning on the
> packet like cigarettes THIS SOFTWARE CAN INJURE YOUR LEISURE TIME.
What is the VT1000 editor you talk about? The vi-lookalike from the
command-line? Vim is nowadays much more than a VT1000 editor, but it
doesn't come installed, just a bare-bones clone. But, if you want a
GUI, Ubuntu comes with gedit, which is kind of notepad with a few
extra features.
Still, running from CD is lame and nothing more than a curiosity.
Perhaps from pendrive it's much more snappy an experience.
BTW, I have pretty much most Lisp-related techs installed in my home
Ubuntu: CLisp, sbcl, PLT-Scheme, ikarus, stalin etc. They work just
fine, specially together with emacs. There is nothing to fear about a
Linux install, as long as you check your hardware for compatibility.
From: Matthias Buelow
Subject: Re: live Linux for using Lisp - recommendations?
Date:
Message-ID: <6mbitpFg66s6U1@mid.dfncis.de>
Mark Tarver wrote:
> Yes; and it did fail much as I thought. The Linux people are paddling
> away - don't want to even discuss this version so I won't provide more
> details.
We all suck and you rule. You can stop now, having sufficiently proved
your superiority, lord.
From: Javier
Subject: Re: live Linux for using Lisp - recommendations?
Date:
Message-ID: <gdq9qq$qv8$1@aioe.org>
Mark Tarver wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 21:04, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 22 Oct, 20:36, Tamas K Papp <······@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:31:58 -0700, Mark Tarver wrote:
>> > > OK - uncompressed it and here for tonight I stop. Too much Linux-
>> > > related jollity late at night is not good for the health. Will
>> > > resume tomorrow.
>>
>> > > Good night from the UK - or if you're on the West coast - have a
>> > > great day.
>>
>> > You seem to be confusing c.l.l with your personal blog. Feel free to
>> > ask questions that would help you setup a working Lisp environment, but
>> > I don't really care about the minutiae of your struggles with
>> > computers.
>>
>> > Tamas
>>
>> My my, a bit tetchy.
>>
>> Struggles with computers is a large part of what programming in one
>> shape or form is about. Lighten up and stop being so ill-humoured.
>> And if you don't want to read this thread - don't read or contribute
>> to it.
>>
>> Reason I'm tabulating issue numbers, downloads etc. is that I bet 6-1
>> tomorrow CLisp will not install or run in any easy way. And if I ask
>> 'What went wrong' people will know what version of Ubuntu I used, what
>> version of CLisp and where I got it all from. Should all this prove
>> unnecessary minutiae, I would be delighted.
>>
>> And thats me signing off.
>>
>> Mark
>
> Yes; and it did fail much as I thought. The Linux people are paddling
> away - don't want to even discuss this version so I won't provide more
> details.
>
> * But I mean, heck, this is a professionally produced CD which
> advertises itself on the back cover blurb as easy to install and
> suitable for education (got a smiling kid on the front, motto 'linux
> for human beings').* Whereas the reality is that its beta grade stuff
> with a VT100 era inbuilt editor and we don't want to talk about it too
> much because it belongs to the embarrassing and twilit past of 2005 -
> right? Perhaps Linux distros should have a health warning on the
> packet like cigarettes THIS SOFTWARE CAN INJURE YOUR LEISURE TIME.
>
> I'm persuaded. Save the abuse. I'm going to do something else more
> interesting. But it was not a total washout because I found the
> latest CLisp and loaded it with self-installing program onto XP. Took
> two minutes and works like a charm.
>
> I'm going to follow Javier's advice and try Pup. Anybody who's
> experimented with CLisp on a live Linux installation can mail me and
> I'll give it a try.
I reconsider my advice. Try Java and Netbeans, and use them under Windows.
Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 21:04, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > Reason I'm tabulating issue numbers, downloads etc. is that I bet 6-1
> > tomorrow CLisp will not install or run in any easy way. �And if I ask
> > 'What went wrong' people will know what version of Ubuntu I used, what
> > version of CLisp and where I got it all from. �Should all this prove
> > unnecessary minutiae, I would be delighted.
Point is that you gave a lot of irrelevant informations and almost no
relevant ones. Basically the only meaningfull info you gave is that
you tried to use .orig.tar.gz package. Do you realize that this
package is a copy of official clisp source distribution? So using it
you have to build from sources and this package does _not_ include
any fixes/patches needed for Ubuntu. In other words, you are trying
to do things "the hard way".
> Yes; and it did fail much as I thought. The Linux people are paddling
> away - don't want to even discuss this version so I won't provide more
> details.
>
> * But I mean, heck, this is a professionally produced CD which
> advertises itself on the back cover blurb as easy to install and
> suitable for education (got a smiling kid on the front, motto 'linux
> for human beings').* Whereas the reality is that its beta grade stuff
> with a VT100 era inbuilt editor and we don't want to talk about it too
> much because it belongs to the embarrassing and twilit past of 2005 -
> right?
You made a fundamental mistake: you want system for programmers.
Unfortunatly in modern times programmers are not considered to
be ordinary 'human beings'. In particular live CD for 'human beings'
is likely to omit programmer tools like compilers.
Concerning 2005: you want the "full" repository containing all
packages, in particular compilers. Complete distribution
from 2005 may work OK. But do not be so surprized that you
can not find on the net binary packages for this distribution.
Also, folks tend to forget what they did 3 years ago, so it
is harder to give meanigful help. Had you used modern CD it
would be easier to add packages omited from CD but present in
full distribution.
If you want Lisp on Linux the easy way is to choose distribution
which includes Lisp as binary packages -- AFAIK Debian has packages
for clisp, gcl and sbcl (old version of sbcl but works OK). Gentoo
has clisp ebuild. It seems that Ubuntu also clisp package, but to
get it you need full distribution, net a stripped down CD (the
same for Debian and Gentoo). Note: if you have both full distribution
and matching live CD it is relatively easy to add package to live CD,
but otherwise it get more complicated. If you have reasonably recent
system and do not insist on clisp than sbcl have Linux binaries (did
not try the latest ones, but in the past worked as advertised). Similarly
Closure CL has binaries (but on Intel/AMD stable version is only for
64-bit machines).
If you want to build from sources you need to install first several
"development" packages. To build gcl on Debian/Ubuntu besides gcc package
I needed several other packages: libreadline5-dev, libncurses5-dev,
libgmp3-dev, libxmu-dev and libxaw7-dev. I believe to you need the
first 3 to build clisp.
If you insist on using a live CD scientific distribution like
Quantian or Scientific Linux may be a good idea: Quantian seem
to include sbcl (but omit other Lisp implementations), apparently
Scientific Linux includes no Lisp support but both should have
developement packages so building from sources should be easier.
--
Waldek Hebisch
·······@math.uni.wroc.pl
Tamas K Papp wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:31:58 -0700, Mark Tarver wrote:
>
>
>>OK - uncompressed it and here for tonight I stop. Too much Linux-
>>related jollity late at night is not good for the health. Will resume
>>tomorrow.
>>
>>Good night from the UK - or if you're on the West coast - have a great
>>day.
>
>
> You seem to be confusing c.l.l with your personal blog.
Thanks, I was hesitant about pointing out that it is /my/ personal
blog/S&M chamber.
> Feel free to ask
> questions that would help you setup a working Lisp environment, but I
> don't really care about the minutiae of your struggles with computers.
I feel an objection from self-reference coming on.
kxo
From: Vilho =?utf-8?B?UsOkaXPDpG5lbg==?=
Subject: Re: live Linux for using Lisp - recommendations?
Date:
Message-ID: <87mygwwk6v.fsf@iki.fi>
Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> writes:
FWIW, 5.10 is almost three years old. Expecting 8.10 in a couple of
weeks (you can probably guess the numbering from there). More up-to-date
versions might give rise to less rude comments.
BR,
Vilho
> On 22 Oct, 18:34, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 22 Oct, 18:10, Javier <·······@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Mark Tarver wrote:
>> > > On 22 Oct, 17:40, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> > >> On 22 Oct, 17:36, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > >> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
>> > >> > Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
>> > >> > understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
>> > >> > my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
>> > >> > recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
>> > >> > reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
>> > >> > CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>>
>> > >> > thanks
>>
>> > >> > Mark
>>
>> > >> Alternatively (it just struck me) that running Linux off the USB stick
>> > >> would perhaps be better. I've got about 3.5Gb free on this. Anhow
>> > >> just a thought.
>>
>> > >> Mark
>>
>> > > DSL looks cool. Small is beautiful.
>>
>> > Puppy Linux is probably the best, and allows you to install it in an USB
>> > stick, or in a rewritable CD. It is the faster OS I ever tried on a general
>> > computer.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Thanks - you know I was just looking at their page right now! How's
>> that for synchronicity? That's worth a shot.
>>
>> DSL doesn't seem to have any installation program I can find. Their
>> FTP just gives me a bunch of folders. And several links on their site
>> are dead.
>>
>> Mark- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Well you know what - the guys who installed Ubuntu Linux for me (of
> which I made rude remarks in the previous thread) left a 'live
> install' CD with me 'which I can safely try' . Oh yeah.
>
> Well I'll pop it into my machine and strap myself in, Says version
> 5.10 on the cover. Will back up first though.
>
> Mark
--
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:36:56 +0300, Vilho Räisänen wrote:
> Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> writes:
>
> FWIW, 5.10 is almost three years old. Expecting 8.10 in a couple of
> weeks (you can probably guess the numbering from there). More up-to-date
> versions might give rise to less rude comments.
And I don't really understand the OP's need for a live CD version.
Ubuntu got to the point where computer-illiterate people can install it
easily. It is much faster and more useful when installed on your HD.
Things you can do with a live CD are somewhat limited, and programming
Lisp in that environment would be a huge PITA in the long run.
Tamas
On 22 Oct, 20:02, Tamas K Papp <······@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:36:56 +0300, Vilho Räisänen wrote:
> > Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> writes:
>
> > FWIW, 5.10 is almost three years old. Expecting 8.10 in a couple of
> > weeks (you can probably guess the numbering from there). More up-to-date
> > versions might give rise to less rude comments.
>
> And I don't really understand the OP's need for a live CD version.
> Ubuntu got to the point where computer-illiterate people can install it
> easily. It is much faster and more useful when installed on your HD.
> Things you can do with a live CD are somewhat limited, and programming
> Lisp in that environment would be a huge PITA in the long run.
>
> Tamas
Hey Tamas, do you marry a girl on the first date? Me neither. Lets
see if this thing is worth installing first.
Mark
> Hey Tamas, do you marry a girl on the first date? Me neither. Lets
> see if this thing is worth installing first.
>
I did, and I don't regret it :)
Now back to topic!
If I had a blog, I would've post, which version should I install on my
Everun Note (that I'm waiting for eagerly).
But it's more of a comp....linux question...
On Oct 22, 6:36 pm, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
> Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
> understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
> my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
> recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
> reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
> CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
Qi-Linux ?
bobi
On 24 Oct, 16:54, Slobodan Blazeski <·················@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 22, 6:36 pm, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Having looked at the options, I've decided that the easiest is to run
> > Linux from my CD/DVD drive and experiment with Lisp from there. I
> > understand this called a 'live installation'. It saves cluttering up
> > my disk drive with something that turns out to be naff. Any
> > recommendations/experience on live Linuxes? Ease of installation,
> > reliability and friendliness are the main criteria. If it includes
> > CLisp preinstalled saves me a job of using 'make' which would be nice.
>
> > thanks
>
> > Mark
>
> Qi-Linux ?
>
> bobi
That would be cute.
I can accept Linux if it is advertised for what it is; an OS for tech
geeks who want to invest the time and are willing to work through the
hacks. It shouldn't read 'Linux for human beings'; it should read.
'Greetings earthling.
This is a bunch of stuff put together by a bunch of programmers from a
foreign galaxy using anti-matter programming. Anti-matter programming
works backwards in some cases from what you'd normally expect so don't
expect that things will work in the way that they do in your galaxy.
It may or may not be consistent with what we issued before and we hope
you can use it without bother but don't press your luck. If you get
stuck, phone home and some spaceship might come to help you - and then
again maybe not. Expect to get lasered though if your broadcast is
too critical because what we are giving you is free and holy.
Don't be deceived. There are many Linuxes out there from different
star systems, some of which are c**p but they all proclaim that they
are great and we'd like to reassure you by saying that ours is great
too.
Death to Bill Gates and the Evil Empire of Closed Source
The United Federation of Open Source Linux Hackers'
Seriously, despite MS having dropped the ball with Vista, I don't see
Linux being able to pick it up. Myriad versions, many
incompatibilities, stuff that breaks on even the upgrades between
distros, links that don't work.
I think one problem is that though OS is a very interesting subject,
the best minds tend not to go in for it. Linux is not innovative; its
core is based on a 30 year old design. Its metal bashing. I'm sure we
could do better than this. The problem is that if you do work in this
area then you end up either
(a) working for a long time and coming up with something radically
cool and interesting and different from Linux or Windows and which is
used only by you and your girlfriend (who uses it only to please you
and dates Vista when you're away).
I think Movitz belongs to this category.
(b) working a long time and coming up with another epicycle on Unix/
Linux/Windows which does get used by a few people but is not radically
cool or interesting. This stuff might not even be publishable as
research.
So if you're some young hotshot who wants to shake his feather, you'll
head for an area where you can do cool and useful things which get
published e.g. bioinformatics.
We're effectively stuck with a duopoly. Personally I'd rather have
Windows; it doesn't soak up my time.
Mark