On 20 Oct, 17:03, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> http://wiki.alu.org/Lisp-friendly_Web_Hostinggives a list. Any
> experiences?
>
> Mark
Interesting - so far I've got
Yes; we supported it but no more (Bodhost I think).
Yes; I can put it on, but I'm not too familiar with it. (Zill.Net)
Yes; we've got it. But nobody here is really expert in it so if you
screw up you're out there.
(GrokThis.Net).
Mark
Mark Tarver wrote:
> On 20 Oct, 17:03, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>http://wiki.alu.org/Lisp-friendly_Web_Hostinggives a list. Any
>>experiences?
>>
>>Mark
>
>
> Interesting - so far I've got
>
> Yes; we supported it but no more (Bodhost I think).
> Yes; I can put it on, but I'm not too familiar with it. (Zill.Net)
> Yes; we've got it. But nobody here is really expert in it so if you
> screw up you're out there.
> (GrokThis.Net).
Just wondering/almost asking: is the Amazon Cloud deal a good solution?
Then we can install/configure anyway we like. I think.
hth,kt
K> Just wondering/almost asking: is the Amazon Cloud deal a good solution?
K> Then we can install/configure anyway we like. I think.
i think it's fine other than that it costs too much. also it is not oriented
towards
having "your" virtual machine instance.
you can get much cheaper VPS from slicehost or linode.
sometimes real dedicated servers are available for dirt-cheap prices,
for example, corenetworks.net.
there is no need to search for specific "lisp-friendly" hosting, because
most dedicated/VPS servers run Linux distros and it's easy to install
Lisp there. however i'd warn against using Virtuozzo-based ones,
because they are sometimes weird about measuring memory allocation.
e.g. out of 256 MB advertised only some 160 would be available to your
application, which is not much for SBCL etc.
Mark Tarver schrieb:
> On 20 Oct, 17:03, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> http://wiki.alu.org/Lisp-friendly_Web_Hostinggives a list. Any
>> experiences?
>>
>> Mark
>
> Interesting - so far I've got
>
> Yes; we supported it but no more (Bodhost I think).
> Yes; I can put it on, but I'm not too familiar with it. (Zill.Net)
> Yes; we've got it. But nobody here is really expert in it so if you
> screw up you're out there.
> (GrokThis.Net).
Why don�t you simply get your own dedicated root server?
http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/en-rootserver-produktmatrix/
50� per month, 2gb ram, AMD 64 X2 5600+ Dual Core, 2x 400gb hd, can
be cancelled every month. Just install whatever you want there.
Andr�
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On 20 Oct, 17:29, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On 20 Oct, 17:03, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >http://wiki.alu.org/Lisp-friendly_Web_Hostinggivesa list. Any
> > experiences?
>
> > Mark
>
> Interesting - so far I've got
>
> Yes; we supported it but no more (Bodhost I think).
> Yes; I can put it on, but I'm not too familiar with it. (Zill.Net)
> Yes; we've got it. But nobody here is really expert in it so if you
> screw up you're out there.
> (GrokThis.Net).
>
> Mark
Thanks for all your useful suggestions.
What I need is a sandbox in which to play around with this stuff.
Lambda Associates is hosted on top of Windows and my host is not Linux/
Lisp friendly (Perl or PHP). I haven't the time to move that site
now (sooo busy :( ) and its not an issue right now. This is new work
I'm looking at.
I think the best move is to get Linux onto my old 600MHz laptop which
I don't use and clean off Windows '98. I expanded the memory back in
'02, so it should be good.
A couple of computer shop guys did install Ubuntu onto my desktop but
it turned out to be a complete PITA. Basically so much did not work
and the Internet connection was unworkable and no C compiler. And a
text editor that worked on only one file at a time! (I kid you not).
Simply, truly awful. Just good enough to port Qi to CMU and then I
thankfully waved good bye to it.
Mark
On 2008-10-21 08:46:38 -0400, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> said:
>
> Thanks for all your useful suggestions.
>
> What I need is a sandbox in which to play around with this stuff.
> Lambda Associates is hosted on top of Windows and my host is not Linux/
> Lisp friendly (Perl or PHP). I haven't the time to move that site
> now (sooo busy :( ) and its not an issue right now. This is new work
> I'm looking at.
>
> I think the best move is to get Linux onto my old 600MHz laptop which
> I don't use and clean off Windows '98. I expanded the memory back in
> '02, so it should be good.
>
> A couple of computer shop guys did install Ubuntu onto my desktop but
> it turned out to be a complete PITA. Basically so much did not work
> and the Internet connection was unworkable and no C compiler. And a
> text editor that worked on only one file at a time! (I kid you not).
> Simply, truly awful. Just good enough to port Qi to CMU and then I
> thankfully waved good bye to it.
>
> Mark
Mark,
I would suggest trying out Amazon's Web Services (AWS) products to use
as as sandbox. You can choose pretty much any Linux distribution (and
even Windows since yesterday) and install any Lisp you want.
It's worth spending several hours on learning how to use its services,
but you will get back a lot:
- Pay as you go model does save you money - you only pay for what you
use, with prices starting at 10 cents per hour for the small instance
type. If you use it for 5 hours and then shut it down and not use it
for a month, it will only cost you 50 cents for the whole month. If you
run it non-stop the whole month it's only $72 per month.
- Ability to fire up servers of different sizes on demand, based on
what you currently need. For example, your usual needs require a small
box (1.7GB of RAM, 2GHz or so of processing power). However, one day
you need to do massive calculations that require beefier machines. Just
fire up those instances and pay for what you use per hour, then shut
them down. No contracts to sign, no waiting for
installation/activation, no additional money to pay.
- Elastic Block Storage is an AWS component that allows you to create
virtual disks (from 1GB to 1TB in size) that you can attach to any of
your instances (Linux and Windows). You can create/change/delete these
disks as much as you want and still pay only for what you have created.
- S3 is another storage solution from AWS that is cheaper than EBS.
Unlike EBS, you can't use it as a mountable disk (third party
solutions exists that do allow this for additional money, but IMHO it's
not worth the hassle), but you can use it as a general backup area for
your EBS snapshots and general purpose storage.
- Elasticfox is a Firefox extension that allows you to manage all of
these services with a friendly GUI. Command line is an option too if
you don't mind a little bit of learning.
I am a big believer in utility computing and IMHO AWS is the best
general purpose solution on the market today: both from feature point
of view and cost. It has really started to come together this fall with
release of EBS. I myself saved $$$ and a lot of time recently when I
had to run a major data crunching operation: I simply fired up several
large instances with extra CPUs (for $0.8 per hour each) and was done
in 6 hours vs 72 or so hours it would take my home box to do the job...
HTH,
Telman
On Oct 20, 9:29 am, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On 20 Oct, 17:03, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >http://wiki.alu.org/Lisp-friendly_Web_Hostinggivesa list. Any
> > experiences?
>
> > Mark
>
> Interesting - so far I've got
>
> Yes; we supported it but no more (Bodhost I think).
> Yes; I can put it on, but I'm not too familiar with it. (Zill.Net)
> Yes; we've got it. But nobody here is really expert in it so if you
> screw up you're out there.
> (GrokThis.Net).
Did you not notice the first link? The Tech Co-op! We support lisp,
are run by lispers, host common-lisp.net, paste.lisp.org, and
cliki.net, offer both virtual (shared) lisp hosting and VPSs that are
fully lisp compatible, host many lisp application and are a co-
operatively owned organisation whose shareholders are roughly 60-70%
lispers.
Email me and i'll hook you up with a deal.. it's not going to get any
better than us :).
Cheers,
drewc
> Mark
Drew Crampsie wrote:
> On Oct 20, 9:29 am, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 20 Oct, 17:03, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://wiki.alu.org/Lisp-friendly_Web_Hostinggivesa list. Any
>>>experiences?
>>
>>>Mark
>>
>>Interesting - so far I've got
>>
>>Yes; we supported it but no more (Bodhost I think).
>>Yes; I can put it on, but I'm not too familiar with it. (Zill.Net)
>>Yes; we've got it. But nobody here is really expert in it so if you
>>screw up you're out there.
>>(GrokThis.Net).
>
>
> Did you not notice the first link? The Tech Co-op! We support lisp,
> are run by lispers, host common-lisp.net, paste.lisp.org, and
> cliki.net, offer both virtual (shared) lisp hosting and VPSs that are
> fully lisp compatible, host many lisp application and are a co-
> operatively owned organisation whose shareholders are roughly 60-70%
> lispers.
>
> Email me and i'll hook you up with a deal.. it's not going to get any
> better than us :).
Sounds good. How's your Lisp support?
kzo
On Oct 22, 12:02 am, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
> Drew Crampsie wrote:
> > On Oct 20, 9:29 am, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>On 20 Oct, 17:03, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>>http://wiki.alu.org/Lisp-friendly_Web_Hostinggivesalist. Any
> >>>experiences?
>
> >>>Mark
>
> >>Interesting - so far I've got
>
> >>Yes; we supported it but no more (Bodhost I think).
> >>Yes; I can put it on, but I'm not too familiar with it. (Zill.Net)
> >>Yes; we've got it. But nobody here is really expert in it so if you
> >>screw up you're out there.
> >>(GrokThis.Net).
>
> > Did you not notice the first link? The Tech Co-op! We support lisp,
> > are run by lispers, host common-lisp.net, paste.lisp.org, and
> > cliki.net, offer both virtual (shared) lisp hosting and VPSs that are
> > fully lisp compatible, host many lisp application and are a co-
> > operatively owned organisation whose shareholders are roughly 60-70%
> > lispers.
>
> > Email me and i'll hook you up with a deal.. it's not going to get any
> > better than us :).
>
> Sounds good. How's your Lisp support?
LISP? never heard of it.
Cheers,
drewc
>
> kzo
I can highly recommend tech.coop for Lisp hosting. I have http://redromelogic.com
hosted there, which is running hunchentoot on SBCL. Drew is very
helpful, and there is a great depth of Lisp experience to call on when
needed.
Cheers,
Tim R.
On Oct 21, 8:32 pm, Drew Crampsie <·············@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Did you not notice the first link? The Tech Co-op! We support lisp,
> are run by lispers, host common-lisp.net, paste.lisp.org, and
> cliki.net, offer both virtual (shared) lisp hosting and VPSs that are
> fully lisp compatible, host many lisp application and are a co-
> operatively owned organisation whose shareholders are roughly 60-70%
> lispers.
>
> Email me and i'll hook you up with a deal.. it's not going to get any
> better than us :).
>
> Cheers,
>
> drewc
On 22 Oct, 01:32, Drew Crampsie <·············@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 20, 9:29 am, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 20 Oct, 17:03, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > >http://wiki.alu.org/Lisp-friendly_Web_Hostinggivesalist. Any
> > > experiences?
>
> > > Mark
>
> > Interesting - so far I've got
>
> > Yes; we supported it but no more (Bodhost I think).
> > Yes; I can put it on, but I'm not too familiar with it. (Zill.Net)
> > Yes; we've got it. But nobody here is really expert in it so if you
> > screw up you're out there.
> > (GrokThis.Net).
>
> Did you not notice the first link? The Tech Co-op! We support lisp,
> are run by lispers, host common-lisp.net, paste.lisp.org, and
> cliki.net, offer both virtual (shared) lisp hosting and VPSs that are
> fully lisp compatible, host many lisp application and are a co-
> operatively owned organisation whose shareholders are roughly 60-70%
> lispers.
>
> Email me and i'll hook you up with a deal.. it's not going to get any
> better than us :).
>
> Cheers,
>
> drewc
>
>
>
> > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Actually I did. I wasn't exactly certain how the cooperative worked
and I was looking at a long list, but I'll look again at it now you've
popped up.
thanks
Mark
DC> Email me and i'll hook you up with a deal.. it's not going to get any
DC> better than us :).
it's sort of expensive, though.. i've got physical machine with comparable
stats for about a half of price of your VPS..
From: Robert Maas, http://tinyurl.com/uh3t
Subject: Re: best Lisp-friendly web host?
Date:
Message-ID: <rem-2008oct20-003@yahoo.com>
> From: Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk>
> http://wiki.alu.org/Lisp-friendly_Web_Hosting gives a list.
What significant advantage (worth the extra money) do these offer,
compared to the alternative of simply getting a Unix shell account
on an ordinary ISP such as rawbandwidth.com and running CGI/CMUCL
scripts on your personal account right alongside all your ordinary
Web pages? Some of them may offer persistent Lisp processes, which
aren't available on a personal account on a regular ISP, but for
those which offer only CGI, what advantage if any is there over a
shell+Web+CGI account on a regular ISP?
From: Brian Adkins
Subject: Re: best Lisp-friendly web host?
Date:
Message-ID: <m2r665erno.fsf@gmail.com>
Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> writes:
> http://wiki.alu.org/Lisp-friendly_Web_Hosting gives a list. Any
> experiences?
>
> Mark
For a VPS:
http://www.slicehost.com/
If you need a dedicated server:
http://www.cari.net/
It's hard to beat $20/month for a VPS or $60/month for a dedicated
server. I've been using cari.net for over a year, and they've been
great. I know a handful of people using slicehost and they all rave
about it.
Brian Adkins