Dear CLL community,
I've started learning Common Lisp (going through PCL now) for my
personal projects and have interest in the future of the language.
I wonder whether going to Lisp 50 event would be a good use of my time
for educational purposes: will I be able to learn something new or will
it be primarily a networking event for the Lisp community?
I'll be driving from Detroit and paying out of my own pocket - with
funds being somewhat tight now I want to make a good decision. Does
anyone know if sessions will be posted online after the conference?
Much appreciate your help in advance!
JR
It looks fun, but I don't get the impression that any new ideas will
be discussed there.
You probably would have been better off attending ICFP, but that has
already happened.
Jim Robinson wrote:
> Dear CLL community,
>
> I've started learning Common Lisp (going through PCL now) for my
> personal projects and have interest in the future of the language.
Well, Lisp does not have a future: it is done, perfect, finished. If you
meant its future adaptation, yeah, onward and upward. Slowly. Delayed
even more by Javascript.
>
> I wonder whether going to Lisp 50 event would be a good use of my time
> for educational purposes: will I be able to learn something new or will
> it be primarily a networking event for the Lisp community?
Educational as in learning to program Lisp? Zilch:
"John McCarthy has already agreed to give a talk about the early history
of Lisp, returning to OOPSLA after his keynote talk at OOPSLA 2007. Guy
Steele and Richard Gabriel will repeat their HOPL-II talk about the
Evolution of Lisp from 1992, using a particularly unusual set of slides.
Pascal Costanza will talk about the recent developments in the Lisp
community, which has seen a surprising resurrection after its wake from
the AI Winter. We will invite other influential Lispers, covering
important aspects in the development of Lisp during the past five
decades. Finally, we will have an open panel discussion about the next
50 years of Lisp."
The slides sure sound like fun. And its an amazing group of speakers.
But then it runs till 8pm -- when is the cocktail party? Not sure how
much schmooze time you would have. Looks like $360.
Meanwhile, how had does their marketing suck? This is the first I have
heard of it.
>
> I'll be driving from Detroit and paying out of my own pocket - with
> funds being somewhat tight now I want to make a good decision. Does
> anyone know if sessions will be posted online after the conference?
>
> Much appreciate your help in advance!
Assuming you fall madly in love with Lisp I predict you will look back
and kick yourself for missing this golden (groan) opportunity to rub
elbows with that crowd. I say go, if only because I do not want you
kicking me, too.
peace,k
ps. To really learn Lisp, post code here and help out on one of the Lisp
projects to do Web 2.0 programming, you will learn a ton. k
On Oct 17, 11:33 am, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, Lisp does not have a future: it is done, perfect, finished. If
> you meant its future adaptation, yeah, onward and
> upward. Slowly. Delayed even more by Javascript.
also delayed by the Proliferation of Computing Languages. (Haskell,
erlang, Mercury, Q, Oz, OCaml, F#, Mathematica, Scala) See
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/new_langs.html
> "John McCarthy has already agreed to give a talk about the early history
> of Lisp, returning to OOPSLA after his keynote talk at OOPSLA 2007. Guy
> Steele and Richard Gabriel will repeat their HOPL-II talk about the
> Evolution of Lisp from 1992, using a particularly unusual set of slides.
> Pascal Costanza will talk about the recent developments in the Lisp
> community, which has seen a surprising resurrection after its wake from
> the AI Winter. We will invite other influential Lispers, covering
> important aspects in the development of Lisp during the past five
> decades. Finally, we will have an open panel discussion about the next
> 50 years of Lisp."
Shiiit, they didn't invite me for a talk on the fundamental problems
of lisp?
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/lisp_problems.html
> Assuming you fall madly in love with Lisp I predict you will look back
> and kick yourself for missing this golden (groan) opportunity to rub
> elbows with that crowd. I say go, if only because I do not want you
> kicking me, too.
rub elbows! That could be fun.
i envision a lisp utopia in the future, where lisp conferences will
have high class call girls, who'd rub thighs with u and strike up a
chat in lisp too if u prove worthy.
speaking of courtesan, checkout the Emperors Club VIP:
http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/las_vegas/20031015_copulate.html
Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/
☄
······@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 17, 11:33 am, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Well, Lisp does not have a future: it is done, perfect, finished. If
>>you meant its future adaptation, yeah, onward and
>>upward. Slowly. Delayed even more by Javascript.
>
>
> also delayed by the Proliferation of Computing Languages. (Haskell,
> erlang, Mercury, Q, Oz, OCaml, F#, Mathematica, Scala) See
> http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/new_langs.html
Gotta love The Fringe.
>
>
>>"John McCarthy has already agreed to give a talk about the early history
>>of Lisp, returning to OOPSLA after his keynote talk at OOPSLA 2007. Guy
>>Steele and Richard Gabriel will repeat their HOPL-II talk about the
>>Evolution of Lisp from 1992, using a particularly unusual set of slides.
>>Pascal Costanza will talk about the recent developments in the Lisp
>>community, which has seen a surprising resurrection after its wake from
>>the AI Winter. We will invite other influential Lispers, covering
>>important aspects in the development of Lisp during the past five
>>decades. Finally, we will have an open panel discussion about the next
>>50 years of Lisp."
>
>
> Shiiit, they didn't invite me for a talk on the fundamental problems
> of lisp?
> http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/lisp_problems.html
You? I was all ready to give my talk, "That Guy in 2003 Was Right", on
Javascript being the same as Lisp.
>
>
>>Assuming you fall madly in love with Lisp I predict you will look back
>>and kick yourself for missing this golden (groan) opportunity to rub
>>elbows with that crowd. I say go, if only because I do not want you
>>kicking me, too.
>
>
> rub elbows! That could be fun.
>
> i envision a lisp utopia in the future, where lisp conferences will
> have high class call girls, who'd rub thighs with u and strike up a
> chat in lisp too if u prove worthy.
I am holding out for the call girls learning Lisp.
>
> speaking of courtesan, checkout the Emperors Club VIP:
> http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/las_vegas/20031015_copulate.html
The first LispNYC meeting ended up here:
http://flashdancersnyc.com/home.html
Unless you count the...well, never mind.
:)
kzo
Grant, Kenny thank you very much for your replies!
Kenny said: "Assuming you fall madly in love with Lisp I predict you
will look back and kick yourself for missing this golden (groan)
opportunity to rub elbows with that crowd. I say go, if only because I
do not want you kicking me, too."
You're dead on, I think that rubbing elbows with such a distinguished
crowd is something that will get stuck in my memory.
Somehow, I picture myself as Grandpa Simpson telling Bart how he went
to Lisp50 back in 2008 to see people who created the first computer
language that treated its own code as data.
Bart rolling his eyes: "What? People programmed computers back in those
days? Why didn't they let computers write all the code like they do
now?"
I still have not decided. If any of the organizers read this, can you
please let us know whether session recordings (audio or video) will be
posted online?
Thanks again,
JR
Jim Robinson wrote:
> Grant, Kenny thank you very much for your replies!
>
> Kenny said: "Assuming you fall madly in love with Lisp I predict you
> will look back and kick yourself for missing this golden (groan)
> opportunity to rub elbows with that crowd. I say go, if only because I
> do not want you kicking me, too."
>
> You're dead on, I think that rubbing elbows with such a distinguished
> crowd is something that will get stuck in my memory.
Trust me. Go. Gas prices are dropping every day. F*ck the fee, no one
ever checks the badges, they always figure what moron would crash a
/Lisp/ conference? That's how I usually get in, unless the organizers
are dumb enough to invite me.
>
> Somehow, I picture myself as Grandpa Simpson telling Bart how he went to
> Lisp50 back in 2008 to see people who created the first computer
> language that treated its own code as data.
Not Homer teaching Bart the three magic sentences? "It was like that
when I got here.", <something else>, and "Great idea, boss!"?
>
> Bart rolling his eyes: "What? People programmed computers back in those
> days? Why didn't they let computers write all the code like they do now?"
I see you do not yet appreciate Lisp.
Your risk is grandson Bart saying, "Sorry? You had the chance to sit at
the feet of McCarthy, Gabriel, and Costanza on the fiftieth anniversary
of Lisp and... you could not afford the gasoline?!"
(decf grandsons)
>
> I still have not decided. If any of the organizers read this, can you
> please let us know whether session recordings (audio or video) will be
> posted online?
Re-fricking-cordings?!
What part of rubbing elbows do you not understand?
C'mon. we'll both go, split a Motel 24. I want to heckle Costanza till
he snaps. Should take about two seconds based on recent c.l.l exchanges.
peace,k
Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
+---------------
| Trust me. Go. Gas prices are dropping every day.
...
| Your risk is grandson Bart saying, "Sorry? You had the chance to sit at
| the feet of McCarthy, Gabriel, and Costanza on the fiftieth anniversary
| of Lisp and... you could not afford the gasoline?!"
+---------------
But for me, Google Maps says it's ~2,285 mi (about 1 day 10 hours
with no sleep -- I used to be able to do that sort of thing, but
not any more), so even with cheap gas... :-{
+---------------
| I see you do not yet appreciate Lisp.
+---------------
Oh, but I *DO*!!! I even baked a cake!! ;-} ;-}
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>
-Rob
p.s. Do I love FORMAT just a wee bit too much, or what?!?!? ;-} ;-}
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