From: Ken Tilton
Subject: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <47ebef8a$0$5624$607ed4bc@cv.net>
Google SoC project proposals to Lisp-NYC are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down. 
It's a wide open field right now... I wonder if Andrew would mentor a 
Hunchncells project. His Kennyness would co-mentor for the Cells bits.

Himself

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From: Vagif Verdi
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <5ca6974d-43c6-497f-8dda-e05f56051da5@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
An Erlang type of distributed programming library (Actors) on light
threads would be great project.
From: Ken Tilton
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <47ec22b5$0$15164$607ed4bc@cv.net>
Vagif Verdi wrote:
> An Erlang type of distributed programming library (Actors) on light
> threads would be great project.

We had a couple of mentor-suggested ideas in re Erlang, no one bought.

kt

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From: Slobodan Blazeski
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <3444ab71-2f78-446b-a2cd-176f1fe08912@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
On Mar 28, 12:41 am, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
> Vagif Verdi wrote:
> > An Erlang type of distributed programming library (Actors) on light
> > threads would be great project.
>
> We had a couple of mentor-suggested ideas in re Erlang, no one bought.
I don't understand. There were no interested students or LispNYC
thinks that those ideas aren't worth funding?
From: Ken Tilton
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <47f15010$0$5642$607ed4bc@cv.net>
Slobodan Blazeski wrote:
> On Mar 28, 12:41 am, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
>>Vagif Verdi wrote:
>>
>>>An Erlang type of distributed programming library (Actors) on light
>>>threads would be great project.
>>
>>We had a couple of mentor-suggested ideas in re Erlang, no one bought.
> 
> I don't understand. There were no interested students or LispNYC
> thinks that those ideas aren't worth funding?

I meant no students bought. But I was premature or ignorant or 
something, we now have 25 -- oops, 27 proposals including two Erlangs.

kenny

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From: Slobodan Blazeski
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <361f342d-f824-4c15-97db-396052011b10@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
On Mar 31, 1:56 pm, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
> Slobodan Blazeski wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 12:41 am, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>Vagif Verdi wrote:
>
> >>>An Erlang type of distributed programming library (Actors) on light
> >>>threads would be great project.
>
> >>We had a couple of mentor-suggested ideas in re Erlang, no one bought.
>
> > I don't understand. There were no interested students or LispNYC
> > thinks that those ideas aren't worth funding?
>
> I meant no students bought.
Damn.


> But I was premature or ignorant or
> something, we now have 25 -- oops, 27 proposals including two Erlangs.
>
> kenny
>
> --http://smuglispweeny.blogspot.com/http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/
>
> "In the morning, hear the Way;
>   in the evening, die content!"
>                      -- Confucius
From: Ken Tilton
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <47f245d8$0$5603$607ed4bc@cv.net>
Slobodan Blazeski wrote:
> On Mar 31, 1:56 pm, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
>>Slobodan Blazeski wrote:
>>
>>>On Mar 28, 12:41 am, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>Vagif Verdi wrote:
>>
>>>>>An Erlang type of distributed programming library (Actors) on light
>>>>>threads would be great project.
>>
>>>>We had a couple of mentor-suggested ideas in re Erlang, no one bought.
>>
>>>I don't understand. There were no interested students or LispNYC
>>>thinks that those ideas aren't worth funding?
>>
>>I meant no students bought.
> 
> Damn.

Keep reading.

>>But I was premature or ignorant or
>>something, we now have 25 -- oops, 27 proposals including two Erlangs.

...and Google has allowed another week for your badly dressing late 
night staying up proposal postponing five thousand dollar needing Erlang 
implementing students to show up.

They should if they know what is good for them, they might get a 
legendary and astonishing mentor (not Myself).

kenny

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  in the evening, die content!"
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From: Slobodan Blazeski
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <8885447d-f65d-4ea2-854d-6f513c837533@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 1, 7:25 am, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
> Slobodan Blazeski wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 1:56 pm, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>Slobodan Blazeski wrote:
>
> >>>On Mar 28, 12:41 am, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>Vagif Verdi wrote:
>
> >>>>>An Erlang type of distributed programming library (Actors) on light
> >>>>>threads would be great project.
>
> >>>>We had a couple of mentor-suggested ideas in re Erlang, no one bought.
>
> >>>I don't understand. There were no interested students or LispNYC
> >>>thinks that those ideas aren't worth funding?
>
> >>I meant no students bought.
>
> > Damn.
>
> Keep reading.
>
> >>But I was premature or ignorant or
> >>something, we now have 25 -- oops, 27 proposals including two Erlangs.
>
> ...and Google has allowed another week for your badly dressing late
> night staying up proposal postponing five thousand dollar needing Erlang
> implementing students to show up.
>
> They should if they know what is good for them,
Never underestimate students intelligence. They know very well that
problem is boring, hard and especially *unforgiving*.
They can't just partially solve it. Fibers will either work or not. If
the fiber library is good I'm pretty sure that Claus Harbo will be
willing to adapt cl-muproc to work on it.
Common lisp has a huge runtime and anything could change at anytime,
lisp is not carved in stone. Maybe if the spec was about a functional
subset of cl, than problem would look like something suited for Soc.
But whole cl.... hm I wouldn't call a lisp implementation writer a
student. No matter how old is he. The better word would be a lisp
hacker, a hardcore one.


> they might get a
> legendary and astonishing mentor (not Myself).
Agreed, but  this problem requires an extraordinary student.
>
> kenny
>
> --http://smuglispweeny.blogspot.com/http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/
>
> "In the morning, hear the Way;
>   in the evening, die content!"
>                      -- Confucius- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
From: vanekl
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <fstonl$qp9$1@aioe.org>
Slobodan Blazeski wrote:
snip
> Never underestimate students intelligence. They know very well that
> problem is boring, hard and especially *unforgiving*.
> They can't just partially solve it. Fibers will either work or not. 
snip

FWIW, Andrew P. Bernat recently completed an imp of fibers iff your
Lisp supports stack-groups (non-ANSI).
See DDJ,
http://www.ddj.com/architect/199702507
From: Slobodan Blazeski
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <7a152e65-60c0-44f2-8436-683ff4766425@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 1, 6:43 pm, vanekl <·····@acd.net> wrote:
> Slobodan Blazeski wrote:
>
> snip> Never underestimate students intelligence. They know very well that
> > problem is boring, hard and especially *unforgiving*.
> > They can't just partially solve it. Fibers will either work or not.
>
> snip
>
> FWIW, Andrew P. Bernat recently completed an imp of fibers iff your
> Lisp supports stack-groups (non-ANSI).
> See DDJ,http://www.ddj.com/architect/199702507

Thanks but this is older than bible, http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=18664
beside it's  useless, the underlying machinery that enables to keep
the function state is not implemented you can call it fibers or stack
groups or actors or whatever.
If we have it we could built on top of it easily. But unless there is
some state keeping code and I'm not talking about delimited
continuations we're right at the beginning.
Btw OpenMCl seems to have(or had)  some code in stack-groups l1-stack-
groups.lisp  anybody looked at?
From: Ken Tilton
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <47ebf95d$0$5636$607ed4bc@cv.net>
Ken Tilton wrote:
> Google SoC project proposals to Lisp-NYC are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down. 
> It's a wide open field right now... 

Heow just spotted five Lispy projects over on the Planet Math mentoring 
list, so that explains part of it, we've had a bit of math in the past.

kt

I wonder if Andrew would mentor a
> Hunchncells project. His Kennyness would co-mentor for the Cells bits.
> 
> Himself
> 

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  in the evening, die content!"
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From: deech
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <3224dfee-e003-4bc8-939c-e281e3a846ef@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
Is the Google SOC only open to students?

Deech
From: vanekl
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <fsh4p9$2s1$1@aioe.org>
deech wrote:
> Is the Google SOC only open to students?
> 
> Deech

yup
http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_student_eligibility
From: Vagif Verdi
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <3d4b79e8-5f49-4afe-a2fb-d556d420380b@y24g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
- Pure lisp object database (AllegroCache, rucksack)
- QT on cells
- Data aware GUI controls (especially grid) on GTK -> cells -> CLSQL
or GTK -> cells -> Object Database
From: Ken Tilton
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <47ec36b6$0$15180$607ed4bc@cv.net>
Vagif Verdi wrote:
> - Pure lisp object database (AllegroCache, rucksack)

Shucks, we just need CFFI bindings to Redland RDF, the future of database.

> - QT on cells

Yah baby! Then we just need McClimcells (I slay myself) and the Cells 
empire will be complete.

> - Data aware GUI controls (especially grid) on GTK -> cells -> CLSQL
> or GTK -> cells -> Object Database

I already have Triple-Cells Lite working for ECLM 2008, might add 
cross-dependency between dynamic cells and triple-cells for the talk if 
I have time.

This was way cool when I did it with AllegroStore:

   http://smuglispweeny.blogspot.com/2008/03/my-biggest-lisp-project.html

kenny

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  in the evening, die content!"
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From: vanekl
Subject: Re: We don't want garbage, but...
Date: 
Message-ID: <fsr9qg$tv2$1@aioe.org>
Ken Tilton wrote:
> Google SoC project proposals to Lisp-NYC are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down. 
> It's a wide open field right now... I wonder if Andrew would mentor a 
> Hunchncells project. His Kennyness would co-mentor for the Cells bits.
> 
> Himself


Student Application Deadline Extended
http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/browse_thread/thread/9fa88f31aa401f70