From: Joachim Durchholz
Subject: Re: is free, open source software ethical?
Date: 
Message-ID: <1205234056.7471.25.camel@kurier>
Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2008, 02:00 -0700 schrieb Christophe:
> The effect of free software is a general regression.
> 
> Linux : zero innovation,

O(1) scheduler. Automatic software packaging systems with dependency
tracking. User-space file systems.

No innovation? You must be kidding. Or clueless. Or paid.

>  cannibalism of Unix

Right.

> Java : absolute regression compared to lisp, Smalltalk, Actor, Forth,
> Rebol, Haskell, OCaml.

Yes, and everybody was using these when Java was invented, since nobody
was even considering using C++ despites its elegance and almost-flat
learning curve. And Java has been killing the competition.
Oh, and all of the languages you have enumerated above were developed,
at great cost, by a company that has gone bankrupt. Java is Evil, you're
soo totally right.

Regards,
Jo
From: Christopher Browne
Subject: Re: is free, open source software ethical?
Date: 
Message-ID: <603aqxjiog.fsf@dba2.int.libertyrms.com>
Joachim Durchholz <··@durchholz.org> writes:
> Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2008, 02:00 -0700 schrieb Christophe:
>> The effect of free software is a general regression.
>> 
>> Linux : zero innovation,
>
> O(1) scheduler. Automatic software packaging systems with dependency
> tracking. User-space file systems.
>
> No innovation? You must be kidding. Or clueless. Or paid.

Which of these were *originated* on Linux, as opposed to originating
on earlier systems, and being recreated atop Linux?

- I believe QNX had an O(1) scheduler as far back as the 1980s, and
  the requirement is common across RTOSes, so I wouldn't think this
  is likely to have been "innovated by Linux."

- I'd agree that the widespread availability of lots of "libre
  software" needing to be packaged has led to there being some
  innovations relating to software packaging systems.

- Plan 9 had a notion of user space filesystems, and there are a
  number of things in Linux that have been very consciously inspired by
  Plan 9.

  That implies that Plan 9 was innovative, in this area, not Linux.
  Linux was derivative...
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