From: vanekl
Subject: Arc
Date: 
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The biggest news of the past 24 hours (no, it's not Steve's MBA):

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98297 (see pg's post)
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98360

I hope PG puts as much thought into the tool set as he has the
language.

From: Ken Tilton
Subject: Re: Arc
Date: 
Message-ID: <478d0eb0$0$9128$607ed4bc@cv.net>
vanekl wrote:
> The biggest news of the past 24 hours (no, it's not Steve's MBA):
> 
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98297 (see pg's post)
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98360
> 
> I hope PG puts as much thought into the tool set as he has the
> language.

I am having fun trying to parse "this winter", which by rights would 
mean DSN (Damn Soon Now). What makes me think I am wrong? With luck it 
will be in time for me to start on arcells and arcello so I do not have 
to ship.

Anyway, this should be great fun. Is this the Lisp-killer or just the 
final stepping stone for refugees from unparenthetic languages? I 
thought that was going to be Ruby, but then I thought Arc was dead.

kt

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From: vanekl
Subject: Re: Arc
Date: 
Message-ID: <18ba3bfa-40f4-4468-aa93-229459b579c4@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
On Jan 16, 12:51 am, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
...
> I am having fun trying to parse "this winter", which by rights would
> mean DSN (Damn Soon Now). What makes me think I am wrong? With luck it
> will be in time for me to start on arcells and arcello so I do not have
> to ship.
>
> Anyway, this should be great fun. Is this the Lisp-killer or just the
> final stepping stone for refugees from unparenthetic languages? I
> thought that was going to be Ruby, but then I thought Arc was dead.
>
> kt
>
> --http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/
>
> "In the morning, hear the Way;
>   in the evening, die content!"
>                      -- Confucius

I thought Arc was vaporier than Duke N.F., but than we get screen caps
of DNF, so the Universal Karma is shifting on its axis. 2008 is going
to be the year of SAS (shit actually shipping). I guess now that
Americans can't buy and sell each other unlimited quantities of
houses, we have to focus our energies on more modest endeavors, like
actually shipping software. In this economic climate, it should be
easier to pump out bits than flip houses.
I hereby predict the next bubble is going to be in software. We need a
sexy moniker, say "web 3.0," and somehow we need to convince the Fed
to finance it all. Something's gotta replace the current bubble, or
else the whole house of cards could collapse. And it might as well be
Lisp II, or Arc, or Arc de Triomphe, or whatever cool name the
marketing weenies come up with they think will best sell the New and
Improved hot language of the future (for at least the next 50 years).

My guess, though, is that Arc is just going to be pretty much Lisp in
disguise, but with better marketing, and there's absolutely nothing
wrong with that. A rebranding every other decade may be just what the
doctor ordered. The six-eyed green monster is just too scary--not
family friendly. I look forward to our new... uh, never mind.
From: Alex Mizrahi
Subject: Re: Arc
Date: 
Message-ID: <478dd3ce$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
 KT> Anyway, this should be great fun. Is this the Lisp-killer or just the
 KT> final stepping stone for refugees from unparenthetic languages?

hm, looks like it has THE macros, so i believe it IS Lisp, a modern flavour 
of..
from the samples i've seen it's just lisp with syntatic sugar and built-in 
features to do "ultra-dense" programming.
i'm not sure if it's good -- i just don't think fast enough for this 
language. 
From: Andreas Davour
Subject: Re: Arc
Date: 
Message-ID: <cs9d4s2saln.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>
vanekl <·····@acd.net> writes:

> The biggest news of the past 24 hours (no, it's not Steve's MBA):
>
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98297 (see pg's post)
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98360
>
> I hope PG puts as much thought into the tool set as he has the
> language.

While it sure is interesting news I'd say wait and see...

BTW, I still think CL is the language for me.

/Andreas

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