- California just mandated all eighth graders be enrolled in Algebra.
- There are five hundred thousand eighth graders in California.
- This is a Lisp application: http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/*
Do the, um, arithmetic.
btw, just did a "speed week" (those take a day now) on the solver, found
some howlers, much better now.
Actually the Algebra mandate was a political move "pumped up" by The
Arnold. The girly men educators are suggesting it might be a dumb idea
since kids entering eighth grade cannot even add. Picky, picky, picky.
I wrote to California, have not heard back. If you know a Californian,
please pass the URL along.
Speaking of the great support I have received from the Lisp community,
one person at Franz has commented on my Web page and one has tried the
application. That was an engineer, no one in sales. And Franz is getting
a cut.
TISLHFYP.
kt
* Everyone whose idea of helpful feedback was to point out the missing
"i" in "All rghts reserved." on the splash screen (which was about 90%
of you) should not bother, I put in the "i", you have nothing to offer.
i thought that given all kenny's effort in trumpeting, perhaps i
should download it to at least increase the download counter. But
there is no mac version!
Is mac version coming anytime soon?
Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/
☄
On Aug 19, 7:44 pm, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
> - California just mandated all eighth graders be enrolled in Algebra.
>
> - There are five hundred thousand eighth graders in California.
>
> - This is a Lisp application:http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/*
>
> Do the, um, arithmetic.
>
> btw, just did a "speed week" (those take a day now) on the solver, found
> some howlers, much better now.
>
> Actually the Algebra mandate was a political move "pumped up" by The
> Arnold. The girly men educators are suggesting it might be a dumb idea
> since kids entering eighth grade cannot even add. Picky, picky, picky.
>
> I wrote to California, have not heard back. If you know a Californian,
> please pass the URL along.
>
> Speaking of the great support I have received from the Lisp community,
> one person at Franz has commented on my Web page and one has tried the
> application. That was an engineer, no one in sales. And Franz is getting
> a cut.
>
> TISLHFYP.
>
> kt
>
> * Everyone whose idea of helpful feedback was to point out the missing
> "i" in "All rghts reserved." on the splash screen (which was about 90%
> of you) should not bother, I put in the "i", you have nothing to offer.
From: Kenny
Subject: Re: Anybody know anybody in California? I'll be your friend....
Date:
Message-ID: <48ab96af$0$20920$607ed4bc@cv.net>
······@gmail.com wrote:
> i thought that given all kenny's effort in trumpeting,
The community is free to feel embarrassed that I have to pester them to
support my efforts to establish another Lisp employer.
> perhaps i
> should download it to at least increase the download counter.
I think this defines well the Lisp's community's idea of supporting and
building the language. Oh, look, Kenny spent three frickin years
developing an application and giving away the supporting open source
libraries to address the crux of the US math education problem? Damn, I
gotta give that boy a page visit!
<sigh>
> But
> there is no mac version!
Just a comment saying when it would be available!
(TISLHFYP)
>
> Is mac version coming anytime soon?
Yes, The Right Honorable Bill Clementson (the first person ever to pick
up on Cells) has a full build and we are toe-to-toe with a perhaps red
herring of an heapsize issue.
Courage.
kt
http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/
--
If you want to know why Lisp doesn't win around you, find a mirror.
— Erik Naggum
On 19 ago, 23:44, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
> That was an engineer, no one in sales.
Sales people don't really enjoy numbers, just money.
> * Everyone whose idea of helpful feedback was to point out the missing
> "i" in "All rghts reserved." on the splash screen (which was about 90%
> of you) should not bother, I put in the "i", you have nothing to offer.
damn!
On Aug 19, 8:44 pm, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
> - California just mandated all eighth graders be enrolled in Algebra.
>
> - There are five hundred thousand eighth graders in California.
>
> - This is a Lisp application:http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/*
>
> Do the, um, arithmetic.
>
> btw, just did a "speed week" (those take a day now) on the solver, found
> some howlers, much better now.
>
> Actually the Algebra mandate was a political move "pumped up" by The
> Arnold. The girly men educators are suggesting it might be a dumb idea
> since kids entering eighth grade cannot even add. Picky, picky, picky.
>
> I wrote to California, have not heard back. If you know a Californian,
> please pass the URL along.
>
> Speaking of the great support I have received from the Lisp community,
> one person at Franz has commented on my Web page and one has tried the
> application. That was an engineer, no one in sales. And Franz is getting
> a cut.
>
> TISLHFYP.
>
> kt
>
> * Everyone whose idea of helpful feedback was to point out the missing
> "i" in "All rghts reserved." on the splash screen (which was about 90%
> of you) should not bother, I put in the "i", you have nothing to offer.
Hey, Kenny, I don't really understand Lisp, but enjoy c.l.l and
especially your posts.
I did meander over to the site and go through the tutorial. And
despite having a somewhat inflated perception of my math skills, I
learned that one must reverse the inequality sign when dividing both
sides by a negative number. Which revelation prompted me to "prove"
to myself what that is so.
Sorry I didn't share my participation and revelation with your
earlier.
Good going.
Steve
From: Kenny
Subject: Re: Anybody know anybody in California? I'll be your friend....
Date:
Message-ID: <48ac51a1$0$7330$607ed4bc@cv.net>
Steve Graham wrote:
> On Aug 19, 8:44 pm, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>- California just mandated all eighth graders be enrolled in Algebra.
>>
>>- There are five hundred thousand eighth graders in California.
>>
>>- This is a Lisp application:http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/*
>>
>>Do the, um, arithmetic.
>>
>>btw, just did a "speed week" (those take a day now) on the solver, found
>>some howlers, much better now.
>>
>>Actually the Algebra mandate was a political move "pumped up" by The
>>Arnold. The girly men educators are suggesting it might be a dumb idea
>>since kids entering eighth grade cannot even add. Picky, picky, picky.
>>
>>I wrote to California, have not heard back. If you know a Californian,
>>please pass the URL along.
>>
>>Speaking of the great support I have received from the Lisp community,
>>one person at Franz has commented on my Web page and one has tried the
>>application. That was an engineer, no one in sales. And Franz is getting
>>a cut.
>>
>>TISLHFYP.
>>
>>kt
>>
>>* Everyone whose idea of helpful feedback was to point out the missing
>>"i" in "All rghts reserved." on the splash screen (which was about 90%
>>of you) should not bother, I put in the "i", you have nothing to offer.
>
>
> Hey, Kenny, I don't really understand Lisp, but enjoy c.l.l and
> especially your posts.
Thx! And thanks for looking at the software.
>
> I did meander over to the site and go through the tutorial. And
> despite having a somewhat inflated perception of my math skills, I
> learned that one must reverse the inequality sign when dividing both
> sides by a negative number.
I am sure I forgot about that until I did the software. :)
> Which revelation prompted me to "prove"
> to myself what that is so.
You did not find the hint about different height people standing on the
ceiling compelling? :)
I thought of a cool way of /selling/ the idea, tho. Put numbers on a
number line like -3, -1, 0 2, 5. Then talk about multiplying the -3 by
-1 so we get...class? Good, Tommy, 3. Then draw a circular arc from -3
to 3 arching above the number line. When going from 5 to -5, draw the
arc below the number line. Zero does not move, just draw a heavy dot
there. Now talk about multiplying by -1 or any negative as spinning the
number line around zero, so all the values to the right (greater) are
now to the left (less than) and vice versa.
When they say they don't get it I just say, "Fine. Shut up and memorize
the rule. I just wanted you to know I was not making this up."
>
> Good going.
Thx again.
kt
---
http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/
On Aug 19, 10:44 pm, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
> - California just mandated all eighth graders be enrolled in Algebra.
>
> - There are five hundred thousand eighth graders in California.
>
> - This is a Lisp application:http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/*
>
> Do the, um, arithmetic.
>
" Anybody know anybody in California? I'll be your friend...."
You should have gone to the pizza party in San Francisco. ;-)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/e6841870778f7093?hl=en
http://www.fsf.org/associate/events/2008/sf-pizza/
It's called networking Kenny. On the other hand, your software would
have to be Free ... ;-)
Happy to hear Bill is giving you a hand!
--agt
From: Kaz Kylheku
Subject: Re: Anybody know anybody in California? I'll be your friend....
Date:
Message-ID: <20080820121546.898@gmail.com>
On 2008-08-20, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually the Algebra mandate was a political move "pumped up" by The
> Arnold. The girly men educators are suggesting it might be a dumb idea
> since kids entering eighth grade cannot even add.
Is that true? I went to grade eight in Ontario, Canada. I'm certain we did
algebra as part of the core math course: things like manipulating n-degree
polynomials and such. My recollection is hazy, but we might have even covered
factoring, and the quadratic formula for obtaining the roots of a degree two
polynomial.
From: Kenny
Subject: Re: Anybody know anybody in California? I'll be your friend....
Date:
Message-ID: <48ac7adf$0$20906$607ed4bc@cv.net>
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2008-08-20, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Actually the Algebra mandate was a political move "pumped up" by The
>>Arnold. The girly men educators are suggesting it might be a dumb idea
>>since kids entering eighth grade cannot even add.
>
>
> Is that true? I went to grade eight in Ontario, Canada. I'm certain we did
> algebra as part of the core math course: things like manipulating n-degree
> polynomials and such. My recollection is hazy, but we might have even covered
> factoring, and the quadratic formula for obtaining the roots of a degree two
> polynomial.
Well, California is a big state (some kids have no problem with math,
most do) and all of US education suffers now from quite a long time of
softening standards because we don't want to make the little babies
unhappy do we so now US community colleges will also be a big market for
me because students entering CC have never taken Algebra and /they/ need
basic math before /they/ can take Algebra so now a lot of states are
mandating Algebra for graduation not as crazy as for eighth grade but
the same idea and unfortunately mandates do not change reality so kids
are just failing the algebra they are being forced to take.
kt
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:23:38 +0000 (UTC), <········@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2008-08-20, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually the Algebra mandate was a political move "pumped up" by The
>> Arnold. The girly men educators are suggesting it might be a dumb idea
>> since kids entering eighth grade cannot even add.
>
> Is that true? I went to grade eight in Ontario, Canada. I'm certain we did
> algebra as part of the core math course: things like manipulating n-degree
> polynomials and such. My recollection is hazy, but we might have even covered
> factoring, and the quadratic formula for obtaining the roots of a degree two
> polynomial.
When I was in Californias school system in the eighth grade we had to
take Algebra. It was probably dropped later to prevent leaving kids
behind (that might be the teachers fault yah know). I survived most
of the bozos acting as teachers in the Great Socialist State.
How long before Arnie gets booted from office? The KA liberals might
stall this until then, they just want a free ride not actual work.
OTOH, they can now blame the software...
--
One of the strokes of genius from McCarthy
was making lists the center of the language - kt
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From: Kenny
Subject: Re: Anybody know anybody in California? I'll be your friend....
Date:
Message-ID: <48acee39$0$7334$607ed4bc@cv.net>
GP lisper wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:23:38 +0000 (UTC), <········@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2008-08-20, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Actually the Algebra mandate was a political move "pumped up" by The
>>>Arnold. The girly men educators are suggesting it might be a dumb idea
>>>since kids entering eighth grade cannot even add.
>>
>>Is that true? I went to grade eight in Ontario, Canada. I'm certain we did
>>algebra as part of the core math course: things like manipulating n-degree
>>polynomials and such. My recollection is hazy, but we might have even covered
>>factoring, and the quadratic formula for obtaining the roots of a degree two
>>polynomial.
>
>
> When I was in Californias school system in the eighth grade we had to
> take Algebra. It was probably dropped later to prevent leaving kids
> behind (that might be the teachers fault yah know). I survived most
> of the bozos acting as teachers in the Great Socialist State.
>
> How long before Arnie gets booted from office? The KA liberals might
> stall this until then, they just want a free ride not actual work.
> OTOH, they can now blame the software...
>
I can start another Lisp Winter?! That would be so cool.
kt
From: Kaz Kylheku
Subject: Re: Anybody know anybody in California? I'll be your friend....
Date:
Message-ID: <20080821153143.914@gmail.com>
On 2008-08-21, GP lisper <········@CloudDancer.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:23:38 +0000 (UTC), <········@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2008-08-20, Kenny <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Actually the Algebra mandate was a political move "pumped up" by The
>>> Arnold. The girly men educators are suggesting it might be a dumb idea
>>> since kids entering eighth grade cannot even add.
>>
>> Is that true? I went to grade eight in Ontario, Canada. I'm certain we did
>> algebra as part of the core math course: things like manipulating n-degree
>> polynomials and such. My recollection is hazy, but we might have even covered
>> factoring, and the quadratic formula for obtaining the roots of a degree two
>> polynomial.
>
> When I was in Californias school system in the eighth grade we had to
> take Algebra. It was probably dropped later to prevent leaving kids
> behind (that might be the teachers fault yah know).
That's idiotic. At some point you have to simply accept that some people will
be left behind because of life circumstances, laziness or plain stupidity. You
can't lower the bar so that everyone goes through, the passage then loses its
meaning.