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Subject: NYC LOCAL: Thursday 29 November 2007 UNIGROUP: Heow Eide-Goodman on Ruby on Rails
Date:
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what="official UNIGROUP announcement">
From: Unigroup_of_NY <·······@unigroup.org>
Subject: UNIGROUP Meeting 29-NOV-2007 (Thu): Ruby and Rails
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UNIGROUP OF NEW YORK - UNIX USERS GROUP - NOVEMBER 2007 ANNOUNCEMENTS
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1. UNIGROUP'S NOVEMBER 2007 GENERAL MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT
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When: THURSDAY, November 29, 2007 (**SPECIAL LAST Thursday**)
Where: Alliance for Downtown NY Conference Facility
Downtown Center
104 Washington Street
South West Corner of Wall Street Area
Downtown, New York City
** Please RSVP (not mandatory) **
Time: 6:15 PM - 6:25 PM Registration
6:25 PM - 6:45 PM Ask the Wizard, Questions,
Answers and Current Events
6:45 PM - 7:00 PM Unigroup Business and Announcements
7:00 PM - 9:30 PM Main Presentation
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Topic: Creating Great Software With RUBY and RAILS
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Speaker: Heow Eide-Goodman
INTRODUCTION:
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Unigroup's November 2007 meeting will be on RUBY and RAILS on a
special LAST Thursday of the month meeting, at our normal Downtown
NYC meeting location.
The Wikipedia says the following about Ruby: Ruby is a reflective,
dynamic object-oriented programming language... which has a syntax
inspired by Perl, and has some features found in Smalltalk,
Python, Lisp, Dylan and CLU. Ruby is a single-pass interpreted
language, and is free software written in 'C'. Ruby's first public
release was in 1995.
** Unigroup Board of Director Elections: Unigroup will be holding
our annual elections for our Board of Directors shortly. If you
are interested in running/volunteering for the Unigroup Board,
please contact us immediately!
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SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS:
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To REGISTER for this event, please RSVP by using the Unigroup
Registration Page:
http://www.unigroup.org/unigroup-rsvp.html
This will allow us to automate the registration process.
(Registration will also add you to our mailing list.)
Please avoid emailed RSVPs.
Please continue to check the Unigroup web site and meeting page,
for any last minute updates concerning this meeting. If you
registered for this meeting, please check your email for any last
minute announcements as the meeting approaches. Also make sure
any anti-spam white-lists are updated to _ALLOW_ Unigroup traffic!
If you block Unigroup Emails, your address will be dropped from our
mailing list.
Please try to RSVP as soon as possible.
Note: RSVP is not mandatory for this location, but it does help
us to properly plan the meeting (food, drinks, handouts,
seating, etc.).
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MAIN PRESENTATION
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Creating Great Software With RUBY and RAILS
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Heow Eide-Goodman's presentation discusses the many facets of Ruby,
how it fits into development methodologies, and how best to leverage
the language to solve your problems.
This presentation is designed for a technically-inclined audience
and is appropriate for developers, administrators and IT managers.
The topics of discussion include:
- What is Ruby?
- Why do developers/admins/managers love it?
- Is Ruby more than just a prototyping language?
- What problems Ruby in uniquely suited to.
- Ruby on Rails
- Ruby in the corporate environment
This also comes complete with real-world examples and hands-on
demonstrations.
Web Resources:
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Ruby
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
Ruby on Rails
http://www.rubyonrails.org/
Online Book: Programming Ruby
http://www.rubycentral.com/pickaxe/
Wikipedia on Ruby
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_(programming_language)
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Speaker Biography:
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Heow Eide-Goodman had been professionally writing software for
well over a decade when he realized that life is too short to be
spent on relatively low level languages like C. The search for
something better started 5 years ago.
Since then, he has authored "Beginning PHP5" (2004 Wiley) and
"Professional PHP5" (2005 Wiley), was featured in 2004 electronic
voting machine documentary "Votergate", is the author of the
"Lisp Resource Kit" for teaching lisp-based technology, is a
founding member of XP-NYC and LispNYC, is serving on the
Association of Lisp Users Board of Directors, and has secured
$95,000 worth of grants from Google's Summer of Code program and
other sources.
Heow semi-regularly presents to technical groups in New York
City and consults in the teaching of GoF design patterns,
Agile software development, Fowler refactoring and UML.
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Company Biography:
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Giveaways:
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O'Reilly has been kind enough to provide us with some of their
books, which we will continue to raffle off as giveaways at our
meetings.
Addison-Wesley Professional/Prentice Hall PTR has been kind
enough to provide us with some of their books, which we will
continue to raffle off as giveaways at our meetings.
Unigroup would like to thank both companies for the support
provided by their User Group programs.
Note: The chances tend to be about 1 in 5, that any attendee of
our meeting will walk away with a fairly valuable giveaway
(ie. most books are valued between $30 and $60)!
** Thanks to our friends at Sun Microsystems, Unigroup also has
a box of Solaris 10 DVDs to hand out (or raffle off, if there
are not enough).
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Fee Schedule:
Yearly Membership (includes all meetings): $ 50.00
Non-Member Single Meeting: $ 20.00
Student Yearly Membership: $ 20.00
Non-Member Student Single Meeting (with ID): $ 5.00
Payment Methods: Cash, Check, American Express.
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Complimentary Food and Refreshments will be served. This includes
"wraps" such as turkey, roast beef, chicken, tuna and grilled
vegetables as well as assorted salads (potato, tossed,
pasta, etc), cookies, bottled water and assorted beverages.
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Directions:
Alliance for Downtown NY Conference Facility
Downtown Center
104 Washington Street
Wall Street Area
Downtown, New York City
This building is located on the West side of the street, the
second building north of Rector Street. Cross Streets:
Between Rector (South) and Carlisle (North) Streets.
Our meeting location is in the Lower West Corner of Downtown,
North of the Battery Tunnel, South of the Downtown Hotel,
East of West Street, and West of Greenwich Street. Walking West
on Rector Street from Broadway, you pass Church, Greenwich then
Washington Streets.
There are multiple blocks of parking lots right there, between
Washington and Greenwich Streets, starting at the Battery Tunnel
and extending North for a number of blocks.
Nearest mass transit stations, in order, are the '1/9' (Rector
Street), 'R/W' (Rector Street) and the '4/5' (Wall Street).
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Please mark this meeting on your calendar and join us!
Please tell your friends about Unigroup!
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2. LOCAL NYC EVENTS
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NYCBUG-NYPHP Holiday Party 2007
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: Subject: [announce] 2007 Holiday Party
:
: This year's NYCBUG-NYPHP Holiday Party picks up where the 2004 bash
: left off.
:
: We'll have a two hour open bar and hors d'oeuvres at Suspenders...
: which will be closed just for us.
:
: The date is Thursday, December 13th from 6:30 to 8:30 pm.
:
: It's vital that everyone registers ASAP online at
: http://orgcom.info/Holiday/RSVP since we may have to limit the
: attendees at some point.
:
: Of course, we have a number of sponsors aboard to fund the event.
:
: If anyone is interested in joining the list of sponsors, please
: contact george at nycbug dot org offlist.
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3. UPCOMING MEETINGS
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We have a series of meetings in the works:
- RUBY and RAILS - November 2007
- Planning: IPsec and IPv6 and VPNs (possibly 3 meetings) - 2008
- Planning: Unix/Linux/BSD Distribution Round Table Discussion
- Planning: Asterix / Bayonne / OpenPBX-CallWeaver / VoIP
- NO SPAM!
- Crypto / PKI / GPG-PGP
- The latest on *BSD (NetBSD/FreeBSD/OpenBSD)
- Patching and Updating Unix/Linux/BSD (rpm. yum, yast, etc.)
- Building Custom Kernels Unix/Linux/BSD
- Are there too many Linux Distributions?
- Unix/Linux/BSD Clusters and Clustered Databases
- Linux Clustering Part 3: Beowulf version 2
- Building a Firewall using FreeBSD and Linux
- LAMP Part 2 - PHP
- Field Trip to HP - Invited
- Unix 35th Birthday Celebration (Sun has offered to host this!)
- Samba
- DNS
- High Performance Internet Servers / Web Acceleration
- Unix Office Tools: Word Processors, Spreadsheets, Accounting Packages.
- GNU Development Environments
- iSCSI, Serial ATA, and other new peripheral technologies
** Unigroup Needs Speakers!!
Please let us know about any other meeting topics that you may be
interested in. Potential speakers on Unix/Linux/BSD related
technology topics should please contact the Unigroup Board.
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4. PRIOR MEETINGS
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** Formal Thank You's to our previous speakers will appear
in an upcoming announcement.
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5. UNIGROUP INFORMATION
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Unigroup is one of the oldest and largest Unix User's Groups serving
the Greater New York City Regional Area since the early 1980s. Unigroup
is a not-for-profit, vendor-neutral and member funded volunteer
organization. Unigroup holds regular and special event meetings
throughout the year on technical topics relating to Unix and the Unix
User Community. Unigroup is/was also the Greater NYC Regional Area
Affiliate of UniForum - an International Unix Users Group.
Unigroup holds regular meetings planned for (at a minimum) the Third
THURSDAY of Odd Months. We generally try to hold Field Trip or
Vendor Specific Meetings on the Even Months, although we do have the
ability to hold monthly meetings at our new downtown meeting location.
Planned regular meeting dates are (usually 3rd Thursdays):
11/29/2007, 1/17/2008, 3/20/2008, 5/15/2008...
Watch for our Special Event meetings at the various trade shows in NYC
as well as "Field Trips" to the facilities of local hardware and
software vendors.
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= For Unigroup Information, Events and Meeting Announcements be sure to =
= visit our World Wide Web Home Page: =
= http://www.unigroup.org =
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For further information or to get on the Unigroup Electronic Mail Mailing
List send an EMail message to:
unilist (-a_t-) unigroup.org
To contact the Board of Directors of Unigroup, send an EMail message to:
uniboard (-a_t-) unigroup.org
If you have recently attended a meeting and you are not receiving
Email announcements, please send us an Email and we will make
corrections to our lists.
Please Email the Board with any suggestions, especially potential
meeting topics and speakers. Unigroup welcomes contributions and
content suggestions for our newsletter. Unigroup is a volunteer
organization and we need your assistance! Please let us know if you
can help!
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I hope to see you all at our next meeting!
-Rob Weiner
Unigroup Executive Director
unilist (-a_t-) unigroup.org
http://www.unigroup.org
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Jay Sulzberger <·········@lxny.org>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
From: Edi Weitz
Subject: Re: NYC LOCAL: Thursday 29 November 2007 UNIGROUP: Heow Eide-Goodman on Ruby on Rails
Date:
Message-ID: <uzlwzpkdl.fsf@agharta.de>
On 27 Nov 2007 10:53:26 -0500, ·········@lxny.org wrote:
> -------------------------------------------
> Topic: Creating Great Software With RUBY and RAILS
> -------------------------------------------
Why is this relevant for a Lisp newsgroup?
Edi.
--
Lisp is not dead, it just smells funny.
Real email: (replace (subseq ·········@agharta.de" 5) "edi")
From: Ken Tilton
Subject: Re: NYC LOCAL: Thursday 29 November 2007 UNIGROUP: Heow Eide-Goodman on Ruby on Rails
Date:
Message-ID: <3H_2j.33$9e5.19@newsfe09.lga>
Edi Weitz wrote:
> On 27 Nov 2007 10:53:26 -0500, ·········@lxny.org wrote:
>
>
>> -------------------------------------------
>> Topic: Creating Great Software With RUBY and RAILS
>> -------------------------------------------
>
>
> Why is this relevant for a Lisp newsgroup?
It will likely lead to drinking.
hth,kxo
--
http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/
"In the morning, hear the Way;
in the evening, die content!"
-- Confucius
On 2007-11-27, Edi Weitz <········@agharta.de> wrote:
> On 27 Nov 2007 10:53:26 -0500, ·········@lxny.org wrote:
>
>> -------------------------------------------
>> Topic: Creating Great Software With RUBY and RAILS
>> -------------------------------------------
>
> Why is this relevant for a Lisp newsgroup?
>
> Edi.
>
One of two reasons:
1: Jay, aka ·········@lxny.org, has one big list of places to post to
2: Cult of personality, Heow is a local(NYC) lisp luminary.
marc
--
······@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
From: Edi Weitz
Subject: Re: NYC LOCAL: Thursday 29 November 2007 UNIGROUP: Heow Eide-Goodman on Ruby on Rails
Date:
Message-ID: <uk5o2trt2.fsf@agharta.de>
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:16:10 +0000 (UTC), marc spitzer <······@sverige.freeshell.org> wrote:
> Cult of personality, Heow is a local(NYC) lisp luminary.
Yes, that sounds like a good headline for a Ruby blog: A director of
the ALU board builds his websites using Ruby because obviously you
can't do that in Lisp. I still fail to see why this is relevant to
c.l.l. But maybe that's just me...
Edi.
--
Lisp is not dead, it just smells funny.
Real email: (replace (subseq ·········@agharta.de" 5) "edi")
On Nov 28, 2:36 pm, Edi Weitz <········@agharta.de> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:16:10 +0000 (UTC), marc spitzer <······@sverige.freeshell.org> wrote:
> > Cult of personality, Heow is a local(NYC) lisp luminary.
>
> Yes, that sounds like a good headline for a Ruby blog: A director of
> the ALU board builds his websites using Ruby because obviously you
> can't do that in Lisp. I still fail to see why this is relevant to
> c.l.l. But maybe that's just me...
One would hope this means that Heow is going to talk about Lisp as
well, although that's far from clear from the post. Then again, when
Pascal talked about his AOP stuff at the Munich Lisp Group, the
audience was about 1/2 people advocating tiny language cores and
static typing ... so, uh, if this Ruby group is as full of Rubyers
(Rubans? Rubes?) as MUCLisp was full of Lispers ... it might make
sense?
Or maybe Kenny's right, the link is drinking. You have to be pretty
drunk to think that Ruby is pretty much Smalltalk and thus pretty much
a Lisp -- hey, like Python. Or something.
From: Ken Tilton
Subject: Re: NYC LOCAL: Thursday 29 November 2007 UNIGROUP: Heow Eide-Goodman on Ruby on Rails
Date:
Message-ID: <53n3j.140$Pk.9@newsfe09.lga>
Thomas F. Burdick wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2:36 pm, Edi Weitz <········@agharta.de> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:16:10 +0000 (UTC), marc spitzer <······@sverige.freeshell.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Cult of personality, Heow is a local(NYC) lisp luminary.
>>
>>Yes, that sounds like a good headline for a Ruby blog: A director of
>>the ALU board builds his websites using Ruby because obviously you
>>can't do that in Lisp. I still fail to see why this is relevant to
>>c.l.l. But maybe that's just me...
>
>
> One would hope this means that Heow is going to talk about Lisp as
> well, although that's far from clear from the post.
You xenophobe Europeans are all alike.
[Psst! thx Thomas for helping me keep this idiocy going!]
What part of cross-fertilizing networking cross-inseminating
pollenization do you not understand?
You Europeans love the Common Market but want Jay The Grand Mixologist
of Geeks to scan his distribution list for each technopromulgation
eliding all but those addresses precisely interested in that topic thus
utterly failing at his objective of bringing us solitary sociophobes
together to hear about cool technology which might unbeknownstedly be of
interest to us, or even better to bring together people who might be of
interest to us.
May the sweep and reach of the Grand Promulgations diminish not, yeah,
verily may they multiply and multiply again!
I need a hymn recommendation here...Love Train?
kxo
--
http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/
"In the morning, hear the Way;
in the evening, die content!"
-- Confucius
On 2007-11-28, Thomas F. Burdick <········@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> One would hope this means that Heow is going to talk about Lisp as
> well, although that's far from clear from the post. Then again, when
> Pascal talked about his AOP stuff at the Munich Lisp Group, the
> audience was about 1/2 people advocating tiny language cores and
> static typing ... so, uh, if this Ruby group is as full of Rubyers
> (Rubans? Rubes?) as MUCLisp was full of Lispers ... it might make
> sense?
As far as I know it is a ruby with some rails thrown in. Since I am
on the board of unigroup and asked Heow to do this I think it is a
safe bet that it is not a lisp talk.
>
> Or maybe Kenny's right, the link is drinking. You have to be pretty
> drunk to think that Ruby is pretty much Smalltalk and thus pretty much
> a Lisp -- hey, like Python. Or something.
Generally there is not much, if any, after meeting drinking going on at
these things. We do provide dinner though and charge admission to cover
cost of food.
marc
--
······@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
From: Pascal Costanza
Subject: Re: NYC LOCAL: Thursday 29 November 2007 UNIGROUP: Heow Eide-Goodman on Ruby on Rails
Date:
Message-ID: <5r60plF12nsc5U1@mid.individual.net>
Thomas F. Burdick wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2:36 pm, Edi Weitz <········@agharta.de> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:16:10 +0000 (UTC), marc spitzer <······@sverige.freeshell.org> wrote:
>>> Cult of personality, Heow is a local(NYC) lisp luminary.
>> Yes, that sounds like a good headline for a Ruby blog: A director of
>> the ALU board builds his websites using Ruby because obviously you
>> can't do that in Lisp. I still fail to see why this is relevant to
>> c.l.l. But maybe that's just me...
>
> One would hope this means that Heow is going to talk about Lisp as
> well, although that's far from clear from the post. Then again, when
> Pascal talked about his AOP stuff at the Munich Lisp Group, the
> audience was about 1/2 people advocating tiny language cores and
> static typing ... so, uh, if this Ruby group is as full of Rubyers
> (Rubans? Rubes?) as MUCLisp was full of Lispers ... it might make
> sense?
Hey, I didn't talk about AOP back then! ;)
Pascal
--
My website: http://p-cos.net
Common Lisp Document Repository: http://cdr.eurolisp.org
Closer to MOP & ContextL: http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/
From: Didier Verna
Subject: Re: NYC LOCAL: Thursday 29 November 2007 UNIGROUP: Heow Eide-Goodman on Ruby on Rails
Date:
Message-ID: <muxbq9ep0c3.fsf@uzeb.lrde.epita.fr>
"Thomas F. Burdick" <········@gmail.com> wrote:
> so, uh, if this Ruby group is as full of Rubyers (Rubans? Rubes?)
Rubbers.
--
Resistance is futile. You will be jazzimilated.
Didier Verna, ······@lrde.epita.fr, http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier
EPITA / LRDE, 14-16 rue Voltaire Tel.+33 (0)1 44 08 01 85
94276 Le Kremlin-Bic�tre, France Fax.+33 (0)1 53 14 59 22 ······@xemacs.org
From: Ken Tilton
Subject: Re: NYC LOCAL: Thursday 29 November 2007 UNIGROUP: Heow Eide-Goodman on Ruby on Rails
Date:
Message-ID: <rKm3j.104$Pk.76@newsfe09.lga>
Didier Verna wrote:
> "Thomas F. Burdick" <········@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>so, uh, if this Ruby group is as full of Rubyers (Rubans? Rubes?)
Future Lispniks.
kny
--
http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/
"In the morning, hear the Way;
in the evening, die content!"
-- Confucius
From: Ken Tilton
Subject: Re: NYC LOCAL: Thursday 29 November 2007 UNIGROUP: Heow Eide-Goodman on Ruby on Rails
Date:
Message-ID: <W1h3j.54$qb6.19@newsfe10.lga>
Edi Weitz wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:16:10 +0000 (UTC), marc spitzer <······@sverige.freeshell.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Cult of personality, Heow is a local(NYC) lisp luminary.
>
>
> Yes, that sounds like a good headline for a Ruby blog: A director of
> the ALU board builds his websites using Ruby because obviously you
> can't do that in Lisp. I still fail to see why this is relevant to
> c.l.l. But maybe that's just me...
Bingo. The incredibly brief announcement was about a socio-techno event
involving a lightweight agile language whimsically referred to as
Matzlisp, and is being presented by the social director of Lisp-NYC. No
fucking way anyone interested in Lisp would want to hang out with that
crowd! Hang on...
Meanwhile, you utterly miss the point of networking and expanding, of
which His Jayness, aka The OP, is a master, and who has blessed Lisp-NYC
with His Publicity, sharing news of our once nascent struggling drinkset
with groups far and wide much to the benefit growth and enrichment of
Lisp-NYC, which groups I am sure reacted with as much gregariousness as
have you to news of an NYC group dedicated to some obscure dead language
having nothing to do with Linux.
Meanwhile, what more fertile field than a gathering of lost coders who
have already reached the land of red stones? His Heowness will likely
need support as he repeatedly mentions that of course Lisp would be
better. But really this is about agile-minded technos gathering in
Gotham -- of course Lispers would like to know.
Meanwhile, f*ck, this is Usenet. Are you worried announcements of
technical gatherings will squeeze out headscarf debates? I suggest you
pretend for a moment you are not an exclusionist wall-building
focus-narrowing gatekeeper and instead one interested in promoting the
social and intellectual intercourse of a technical community -- what are
you gonna do, nail a flyer to one telephone pole?
hth, kzo
--
http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/
"In the morning, hear the Way;
in the evening, die content!"
-- Confucius
From: Edi Weitz
Subject: Re: NYC LOCAL: Thursday 29 November 2007 UNIGROUP: Heow Eide-Goodman on Ruby on Rails
Date:
Message-ID: <ulk8iz3on.fsf@agharta.de>
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:53:18 -0500, Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
> I suggest you pretend for a moment you are not an exclusionist
> wall-building focus-narrowing gatekeeper and instead one interested
> in promoting the social and intellectual intercourse of a technical
> community -- what are you gonna do, nail a flyer to one telephone
> pole?
Nah, I'd use Scotch tape.
Edi.
--
Lisp is not dead, it just smells funny.
Real email: (replace (subseq ·········@agharta.de" 5) "edi")
In article <···············@newsfe10.lga>,
Ken Tilton <···········@optonline.net> wrote:
> Edi Weitz wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:16:10 +0000 (UTC), marc spitzer <······@sverige.freeshell.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Cult of personality, Heow is a local(NYC) lisp luminary.
> >
> >
> > Yes, that sounds like a good headline for a Ruby blog: A director of
> > the ALU board builds his websites using Ruby because obviously you
> > can't do that in Lisp. I still fail to see why this is relevant to
> > c.l.l. But maybe that's just me...
>
> Bingo. The incredibly brief announcement was about a socio-techno event
> involving a lightweight agile language whimsically referred to as
> Matzlisp, and is being presented by the social director of Lisp-NYC. No
> fucking way anyone interested in Lisp would want to hang out with that
> crowd! Hang on...
>
> Meanwhile, you utterly miss the point of networking and expanding, of
> which His Jayness, aka The OP, is a master, and who has blessed Lisp-NYC
> with His Publicity, sharing news of our once nascent struggling drinkset
> with groups far and wide much to the benefit growth and enrichment of
> Lisp-NYC, which groups I am sure reacted with as much gregariousness as
> have you to news of an NYC group dedicated to some obscure dead language
> having nothing to do with Linux.
>
> Meanwhile, what more fertile field than a gathering of lost coders who
> have already reached the land of red stones? His Heowness will likely
> need support as he repeatedly mentions that of course Lisp would be
> better. But really this is about agile-minded technos gathering in
> Gotham -- of course Lispers would like to know.
It's like a the church: provide schools and playgrounds for children.
But they really want your soul.
>
> Meanwhile, f*ck, this is Usenet. Are you worried announcements of
> technical gatherings will squeeze out headscarf debates? I suggest you
> pretend for a moment you are not an exclusionist wall-building
> focus-narrowing gatekeeper and instead one interested in promoting the
> social and intellectual intercourse of a technical community -- what are
> you gonna do, nail a flyer to one telephone pole?
>
> hth, kzo