From: Rainer Joswig
Subject: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <joswig-6C55E4.20593416112007@news-europe.giganews.com>
I really like that:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8612534856516244040

Even explaining a TV logo animation done
for Playboy.

Shows much of the Graphics Suite. Craig W. Reynolds describes
animation.

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From: Slobodan Blazeski
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <9ac23709-f2b9-454e-9430-27507e1ca468@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>
On Nov 16, 11:59 am, Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de> wrote:
> I really like that:
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8612534856516244040
>
> Even explaining a TV logo animation done
> for Playboy.
>
> Shows much of the Graphics Suite. Craig W. Reynolds describes
> animation.
>
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Absolutely beautiful. Tell me that it had boolean operations and it
could match a 3d studio max 6 released  16 years after. Lisp is a
cursed language . Worse is better. 8.-(


Slobodan
From: Andreas Davour
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <cs93av5zz0d.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>
Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de> writes:

> I really like that:
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8612534856516244040
>
> Even explaining a TV logo animation done
> for Playboy.
>
> Shows much of the Graphics Suite. Craig W. Reynolds describes
> animation.

Does it use a new retarded version of flash or why am I not seeing
anything at all? Anyone downloaded it and converted it to anything
sensible that care to share?

/Andreas

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From: Slobodan Blazeski
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <156e2729-2950-4c6e-ab0c-7e5b9c6770f0@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>
On Nov 16, 10:00 pm, Andreas Davour <·······@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse>
wrote:
> Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de> writes:
> > I really like that:
>
> >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8612534856516244040
>
> > Even explaining a TV logo animation done
> > for Playboy.
>
> > Shows much of the Graphics Suite. Craig W. Reynolds describes
> > animation.
>
> Does it use a new retarded version of flash or why am I not seeing
> anything at all? Anyone downloaded it and converted it to anything
> sensible that care to share?
>
> /Andreas
>
> --
> A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

What kind of configuration you're using? Firefox didn't have a problem
to play it to neither XP nor ubuntu. You're probably missing some
codecs.

Slobodan
From: Rainer Joswig
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <joswig-5C5D86.15465517112007@news-europe.giganews.com>
In article 
<····································@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
 Slobodan Blazeski <·················@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 16, 10:00 pm, Andreas Davour <·······@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse>
> wrote:
> > Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de> writes:
> > > I really like that:
> >
> > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8612534856516244040
> >
> > > Even explaining a TV logo animation done
> > > for Playboy.
> >
> > > Shows much of the Graphics Suite. Craig W. Reynolds describes
> > > animation.
> >
> > Does it use a new retarded version of flash or why am I not seeing
> > anything at all? Anyone downloaded it and converted it to anything
> > sensible that care to share?
> >
> > /Andreas
> >
> > --
> > A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
> > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> > A: Top-posting.
> > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
> 
> What kind of configuration you're using? Firefox didn't have a problem
> to play it to neither XP nor ubuntu. You're probably missing some
> codecs.
> 
> Slobodan

Notice also that you can download the video on the same page.
As H.264 encoded, size 320x240.

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From: Andreas Davour
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <cs9y7cw1z6w.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>
Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de> writes:


>> > Does it use a new retarded version of flash or why am I not seeing
>> > anything at all? Anyone downloaded it and converted it to anything
>> > sensible that care to share?

>> 
>> What kind of configuration you're using? Firefox didn't have a problem
>> to play it to neither XP nor ubuntu. You're probably missing some
>> codecs.
>> 
>
> Notice also that you can download the video on the same page.
> As H.264 encoded, size 320x240.

I have had experiences before with films downloaded that didn't work
very well because of some DRM crap that they uses. Maybe I should try to
see if this film is not utilizing it. 

/Andreas

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From: Andreas Davour
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <cs93av43duf.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>
Slobodan Blazeski <·················@gmail.com> writes:

> On Nov 16, 10:00 pm, Andreas Davour <·······@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse>
> wrote:
>> Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de> writes:
>> > I really like that:
>>
>> >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8612534856516244040
>>
>> > Even explaining a TV logo animation done
>> > for Playboy.
>>
>> > Shows much of the Graphics Suite. Craig W. Reynolds describes
>> > animation.
>>
>> Does it use a new retarded version of flash or why am I not seeing
>> anything at all? Anyone downloaded it and converted it to anything
>> sensible that care to share?

> What kind of configuration you're using? Firefox didn't have a problem
> to play it to neither XP nor ubuntu. You're probably missing some
> codecs.

Firefox running under FreeBSD. FreeBSD suck for flash and if it's newer
than Flash7 I guess that's the problem.

(BTW, please trim your quotes a bit)

/Andreas

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From: George Neuner
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <vabuj3h6389krd251bnp0ann99uja56rvp@4ax.com>
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:00:50 +0100, Andreas Davour
<·······@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> wrote:

>Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de> writes:
>
>> I really like that:
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8612534856516244040
>>
>> Even explaining a TV logo animation done
>> for Playboy.
>>
>> Shows much of the Graphics Suite. Craig W. Reynolds describes
>> animation.
>
>Does it use a new retarded version of flash or why am I not seeing
>anything at all? Anyone downloaded it and converted it to anything
>sensible that care to share?
>
>/Andreas

A lot of Google videos are MP4.  The only thing I know of that plays
them is Quicktime.

George
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From: Rainer Joswig
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <joswig-8FFC6A.19164017112007@news-europe.giganews.com>
In article <··································@4ax.com>,
 George Neuner <·········@/comcast.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:00:50 +0100, Andreas Davour
> <·······@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> wrote:
> 
> >Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de> writes:
> >
> >> I really like that:
> >>
> >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8612534856516244040
> >>
> >> Even explaining a TV logo animation done
> >> for Playboy.
> >>
> >> Shows much of the Graphics Suite. Craig W. Reynolds describes
> >> animation.
> >
> >Does it use a new retarded version of flash or why am I not seeing
> >anything at all? Anyone downloaded it and converted it to anything
> >sensible that care to share?
> >
> >/Andreas
> 
> A lot of Google videos are MP4.  The only thing I know of that plays
> them is Quicktime.

H.264 is a standard encoder. It is widely used because of its
usable video quality at high compression rates, Lots of video
players will play that. VLC plays it. Many portable devices will
play it (Playstation Portable, iPod, ...).


> 
> George
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From: George Neuner
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <gm01k316d4o20rud738ffpqqqcb4r159gu@4ax.com>
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:16:40 +0100, Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de>
wrote:

>In article <··································@4ax.com>,
> George Neuner <·········@/comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> A lot of Google videos are MP4.  The only thing I know of that plays
>> them is Quicktime.
>
>H.264 is a standard encoder. It is widely used because of its
>usable video quality at high compression rates,

I know its a standard format.


>Lots of video players will play that.

Not out of the box on Windows which is my primary platform.  I admit
that I don't yet have Media Player 11 (which does handle it) because
MP11 crashes some of my important machines, but of MP10 and the other
well known players, only Quicktime handles MP4. 


>VLC plays it.

Search on almost any audio or video format and you'll find a bunch of
never-heard-of-'em players that purport to handle it.  I used to have
3 audio players and about a dozen video players.  But as time went on
and they became more complicated, I found many of them didn't play
well with others.  Then monsters like Media Player and Quicktime
started supporting most of the popular formats in a single player.

I'd like to have one player that just handles everything well.  I'll
take a look at VLC, but I'm not getting my hopes up.  I've got MP10
with the whole codec pack, Quicktime 7, RealPlayer 10, Flash 9, Divx
6.5 ... and I still occasionally encounter stuff I can't play.  I
think it's ridiculous that there are so many formats actually in use.


>Many portable devices will play it (Playstation Portable, iPod, ...).

I'm getting older, my eyesight is getting poorer and all my screens
are getting larger - 15" laptop, 21" monitors, 52" television, etc.
Why in hell would I want to strain to watch something on a teeny, tiny
little screen?  

George
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From: D Herring
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <WO2dnfx36OSPOt3anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com>
George Neuner wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:16:40 +0100, Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de>
> wrote:
>> VLC plays it.
> 
> Search on almost any audio or video format and you'll find a bunch of
> never-heard-of-'em players that purport to handle it.  I used to have
> 3 audio players and about a dozen video players.  But as time went on
> and they became more complicated, I found many of them didn't play
> well with others.  Then monsters like Media Player and Quicktime
> started supporting most of the popular formats in a single player.
> 
> I'd like to have one player that just handles everything well.  I'll
> take a look at VLC, but I'm not getting my hopes up.  I've got MP10
> with the whole codec pack, Quicktime 7, RealPlayer 10, Flash 9, Divx
> 6.5 ... and I still occasionally encounter stuff I can't play.  I
> think it's ridiculous that there are so many formats actually in use.

This mess brought to you by patent fights and attempted vendor 
lock-in...  Most of the "major" media players try to push their own 
format, often completely ignoring or crippling competing formats.

Media Player Classic (http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/) was 
another good just-play-it media players for MSWin.  (Though I haven't 
used it in a year or two.)

Another roll-em-all-up is the k-lite codec pack.
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_Lite_Codec_Pack.htm
(includes MPC; same year-or-two disclaimer as for MPC)

- Daniel
From: Timofei Shatrov
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <4740b823.43825287@news.readfreenews.net>
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:42:18 -0500, George Neuner <·········@/comcast.net> tried
to confuse everyone with this message:

>On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:16:40 +0100, Rainer Joswig <······@lisp.de>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <··································@4ax.com>,
>> George Neuner <·········@/comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A lot of Google videos are MP4.  The only thing I know of that plays
>>> them is Quicktime.
>>
>>H.264 is a standard encoder. It is widely used because of its
>>usable video quality at high compression rates,
>
>I know its a standard format.
>
>
>>Lots of video players will play that.
>
>Not out of the box on Windows which is my primary platform.  I admit
>that I don't yet have Media Player 11 (which does handle it) because
>MP11 crashes some of my important machines, but of MP10 and the other
>well known players, only Quicktime handles MP4. 
>
>
>>VLC plays it.
>
>Search on almost any audio or video format and you'll find a bunch of
>never-heard-of-'em players that purport to handle it.  I used to have
>3 audio players and about a dozen video players.  But as time went on
>and they became more complicated, I found many of them didn't play
>well with others.  Then monsters like Media Player and Quicktime
>started supporting most of the popular formats in a single player.
>
>I'd like to have one player that just handles everything well.  I'll
>take a look at VLC, but I'm not getting my hopes up.  I've got MP10
>with the whole codec pack, Quicktime 7, RealPlayer 10, Flash 9, Divx
>6.5 ... and I still occasionally encounter stuff I can't play.  I
>think it's ridiculous that there are so many formats actually in use.

VLC and mplayer (not to be confused with Windows Media Player or Media Player
Classic) will play 99% of videos. You should really uninstall all those
proprietary players you mentioned and check those out. I use Media Player
Classic for most of the videos, but if it can't play something, I resort to VLC
and/or mplayer. The only problem with those is their horrible interfaces.

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From: Edi Weitz
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <u7ikgralt.fsf@agharta.de>
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:08:48 -0500, George Neuner <·········@/comcast.net> wrote:

> A lot of Google videos are MP4.  The only thing I know of that plays
> them is Quicktime.

I'd be surprised if Google offered a service which requires users to
install Quicktime to use it.  According to them the uploaded videos
are all converted to Adobe Flash files:

  http://video.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=44938

Edi.

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From: Rainer Joswig
Subject: Re: Way cool movie about Symbolics' Graphics Suite from 1987
Date: 
Message-ID: <joswig-D4B666.19315117112007@news-europe.giganews.com>
In article <·············@agharta.de>, Edi Weitz <········@agharta.de> 
wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:08:48 -0500, George Neuner <·········@/comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > A lot of Google videos are MP4.  The only thing I know of that plays
> > them is Quicktime.
> 
> I'd be surprised if Google offered a service which requires users to
> install Quicktime to use it.  According to them the uploaded videos
> are all converted to Adobe Flash files:
> 
>   http://video.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=44938
> 
> Edi.

Right. Additionally you can download them as H.264 encoded (good for portable
devices).

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