I don't have time to write a full review right now, but I wanted to
spread the word: Clozure CL (formerly OpenMCL) now runs on 64-bit Intel
Macs under both Leopard and Linux. (It also runs on PPC machines of
course.) No Intel32 port yet but I'm told that's in the works. I've
been playing with it for two weeks and it seems quite solid. If you're
looking for a Lisp for your Leopard, it's worth checking out.
www.openmcl.org
rg
Ron Garret <·········@flownet.com> wrote:
> I don't have time to write a full review right now, but I wanted to
> spread the word: Clozure CL (formerly OpenMCL) now runs on 64-bit Intel
> Macs under both Leopard and Linux. (It also runs on PPC machines of
> course.) No Intel32 port yet but I'm told that's in the works. I've
> been playing with it for two weeks and it seems quite solid. If you're
> looking for a Lisp for your Leopard, it's worth checking out.
>
> www.openmcl.org
>
Looking at openmcl site I see no mention of Clozure CL. And the
newest avalable download seem to be 070722 prerelease snapshot.
Is there anything newer publically available?
Concerning OpenMCL stability: the 070722 snapshot (at least on amd64
Linux) has a serious and very visible bug: running openmcl with
--help option crashes. This means that simple methods to detect
installed openmcl does not work. Second, probably related bug is
that executable images which use user-supplied toplevel function
crash on startup -- which makes executable images useless for
application delivery.
There is also bug in the printer: in S-expressions containing
lowercase symbols lowercase a may get printed as \ (just plain
backlash, with a missing) at the end of line.
The first to problems probably affect only Linux version (actually,
I would like to know if they work on Mac OSX), printer bug
probably affects all versions.
Why I am writing this here: I went to OpenMCL Trac site and
I found no way to submit bug report. If they do not accept
bug reports from non-customers thay IMHO should plainly say
so. If thay accept bug reports, then they have usability
problem with their web site...
--
Waldek Hebisch
·······@math.uni.wroc.pl
On 2007-11-08 12:53:25 -0500, Waldek Hebisch <·······@math.uni.wroc.pl> said:
> Is there anything newer publically available?
ftp://clozure.com/pub/testing/ClozureCL2007-10-28.dmg
is a disk image with both the x86-64 and ppc versions of the ide.
In article <············@z-news.pwr.wroc.pl>,
Waldek Hebisch <·······@math.uni.wroc.pl> wrote:
> Ron Garret <·········@flownet.com> wrote:
> > I don't have time to write a full review right now, but I wanted to
> > spread the word: Clozure CL (formerly OpenMCL) now runs on 64-bit Intel
> > Macs under both Leopard and Linux. (It also runs on PPC machines of
> > course.) No Intel32 port yet but I'm told that's in the works. I've
> > been playing with it for two weeks and it seems quite solid. If you're
> > looking for a Lisp for your Leopard, it's worth checking out.
> >
> > www.openmcl.org
> >
>
> Looking at openmcl site I see no mention of Clozure CL. And the
> newest avalable download seem to be 070722 prerelease snapshot.
>
> Is there anything newer publically available?
See the links on my page:
http://lispm.dyndns.org/news?ID=NEWS-2007-10-31-1
scroll down.
>
> Concerning OpenMCL stability: the 070722 snapshot (at least on amd64
> Linux) has a serious and very visible bug: running openmcl with
> --help option crashes. This means that simple methods to detect
> installed openmcl does not work. Second, probably related bug is
> that executable images which use user-supplied toplevel function
> crash on startup -- which makes executable images useless for
> application delivery.
>
> There is also bug in the printer: in S-expressions containing
> lowercase symbols lowercase a may get printed as \ (just plain
> backlash, with a missing) at the end of line.
>
> The first to problems probably affect only Linux version (actually,
> I would like to know if they work on Mac OSX), printer bug
> probably affects all versions.
>
> Why I am writing this here: I went to OpenMCL Trac site and
> I found no way to submit bug report. If they do not accept
> bug reports from non-customers thay IMHO should plainly say
> so. If thay accept bug reports, then they have usability
> problem with their web site...
Clozure CL is an open source project. No 'customers'.
Sure you can enter your own bug reports:
* register on the trac site
* login as a registered user
* new ticket
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:06:15 -0800, Ron Garret wrote:
> I don't have time to write a full review right now, but I wanted to
> spread the word: Clozure CL (formerly OpenMCL) now runs on 64-bit Intel
> Macs under both Leopard and Linux. (It also runs on PPC machines of
> course.) No Intel32 port yet but I'm told that's in the works.
I'm assuming that means that it will eventually run on *any* intel 32/x86
(i.e. on "regular PC") hardware supported by linux/(freebsd?) and not
just the stock apple hardware.
I tried to get it to compile on my stock 32-bit intel linux PC, but it
didn't work (though I didn't try too hard), and I don't have a 64 bit
linux available right now.
Joost.
On Nov 9, 1:59 am, Joost Diepenmaat <·····@zeekat.nl> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:06:15 -0800, Ron Garret wrote:
> > I don't have time to write a full review right now, but I wanted to
> > spread the word: Clozure CL (formerly OpenMCL) now runs on 64-bit Intel
> > Macs under both Leopard and Linux. (It also runs on PPC machines of
> > course.) No Intel32 port yet but I'm told that's in the works.
>
> I'm assuming that means that it will eventually run on *any* intel 32/x86
> (i.e. on "regular PC") hardware supported by linux/(freebsd?) and not
> just the stock apple hardware.
>
> I tried to get it to compile on my stock 32-bit intel linux PC, but it
> didn't work (though I didn't try too hard), and I don't have a 64 bit
> linux available right now.
>
> Joost.
There is no 32bit Intel implementation for Clozure CL. It will
only run in 64bit Mode on Intel processors. There are
32bit and 64bit versions for PowerPC Macs.
Note also that Mac OS X 10.5 can run 32bit and 64bit applications.
There is no special 64bit version of Mac OS X. One limitation
is that 64bit applications cannot use 32bit libraries.
Clozure expects to have a 32bit Intel version early in the
first half of next year. I don't know which OS will be supported
for that version.
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:01:34 -0800, ······@corporate-world.lisp.de wrote:
> There is no 32bit Intel implementation for Clozure CL. It will only run
> in 64bit Mode on Intel processors. There are 32bit and 64bit versions
> for PowerPC Macs.
Yes, I noticed, that. I just tried to compile it just to make sure.
My question really is: will it (now/eventually) run on stock PC/intel
hardware - assuming a linux OS - besides Apple?
I'm only asking because the posting and the website seem to go out of
their way to not answer it with the (to my eyes obvious) answer of "yes".
Joost.
On Nov 9, 3:34 am, Joost Diepenmaat <·····@zeekat.nl> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:01:34 -0800, ······@corporate-world.lisp.de wrote:
> > There is no 32bit Intel implementation for Clozure CL. It will only run
> > in 64bit Mode on Intel processors. There are 32bit and 64bit versions
> > for PowerPC Macs.
>
> Yes, I noticed, that. I just tried to compile it just to make sure.
>
> My question really is: will it (now/eventually) run on stock PC/intel
> hardware - assuming a linux OS - besides Apple?
It runs in stock PC/Intel hardware, given that you have a 64bit
processor
and Linux or FreeBSD in versions supporting 64bit applications.
I don't know under which OS the 32bit Intel version will run, but I
would expect at least
Linux and Mac OS X.
>
> I'm only asking because the posting and the website seem to go out of
> their way to not answer it with the (to my eyes obvious) answer of "yes".
>
> Joost.
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:55:00 -0800, ······@corporate-world.lisp.de wrote:
> On Nov 9, 3:34 am, Joost Diepenmaat <·····@zeekat.nl> wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:01:34 -0800, ······@corporate-world.lisp.de
>> wrote:
>> > There is no 32bit Intel implementation for Clozure CL. It will only
>> > run in 64bit Mode on Intel processors. There are 32bit and 64bit
>> > versions for PowerPC Macs.
>>
>> Yes, I noticed, that. I just tried to compile it just to make sure.
>>
>> My question really is: will it (now/eventually) run on stock PC/intel
>> hardware - assuming a linux OS - besides Apple?
>
> It runs in stock PC/Intel hardware, given that you have a 64bit
> processor
> and Linux or FreeBSD in versions supporting 64bit applications.
>
> I don't know under which OS the 32bit Intel version will run, but I
> would expect at least
> Linux and Mac OS X.
Cool, thanks. I might check it out when I get the time on an appropriate
OS+system (I'm currently running linux on a few systems that could run in
64 bits, but aren't *yet*).
Joost.
Erann: You will be glad to know there is an openmcl Debian package at
everyone's disposal at
http://www.eurogaran.com/downloads/lisp/
which you can install in any Debian-like (Ubuntu, Xandros...) Linux
distro.
Beware it is experimental (no responsabilities, etc.), but works quite
well. Enjoy as much as I have enjoyed your writings.