'Character #\u2013 cannot be represented in the character set' was
thread started by me and I was going to reply to John thanking him and
Google says that the thread has disappeared or has been deleted.
I think the performance of Google groups is well below what I'd
expect. The software just isn't cutting it for me at all. But I
find all complaints are ignored.
Anyhow, John - thanks for the info which I read luckily before Google
lost it. Yes indeed it was a non-standard character typographically
identical to a standard one, probably the result of a paste from Word
into Notepad2.
I do get these same errors reading web pages into Lisp via TCL/tk and
it seems that they crash through IGNORE-ERRORS so I'm looking for a
way to trap this response.
Mark
From: John Thingstad
Subject: Re: what the hell is wrong with Google groups? - was 'Character #\u2013 cannot be represented in the character set'
Date:
Message-ID: <op.tstrf5q3pqzri1@pandora.upc.no>
On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:39:05 +0200, Mark Tarver
<··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Anyhow, John - thanks for the info which I read luckily before Google
> lost it. Yes indeed it was a non-standard character typographically
> identical to a standard one, probably the result of a paste from Word
> into Notepad2.
>
> I do get these same errors reading web pages into Lisp via TCL/tk and
> it seems that they crash through IGNORE-ERRORS so I'm looking for a
> way to trap this response.
>
> Mark
>
Well, Mark, have you considered using Drakma (Edi Weitz) as you
http-client instead.
Or you could use flexi-streams, a sub-library of Drakma, to convert the
encoding before
displaying it in Lisp. (can be dowloaded seperatly.)
Alternately you can set up your lisp to accept UTF-16 encoding as
standard-char.
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
On 24 May, 10:32, "John Thingstad" <··············@chello.no> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:39:05 +0200, Mark Tarver
>
> <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Anyhow, John - thanks for the info which I read luckily before Google
> > lost it. Yes indeed it was a non-standard character typographically
> > identical to a standard one, probably the result of a paste from Word
> > into Notepad2.
>
> > I do get these same errors reading web pages into Lisp via TCL/tk and
> > it seems that they crash through IGNORE-ERRORS so I'm looking for a
> > way to trap this response.
>
> > Mark
>
> Well, Mark, have you considered using Drakma (Edi Weitz) as you
> http-client instead.
> Or you could use flexi-streams, a sub-library of Drakma, to convert the
> encoding before
> displaying it in Lisp. (can be dowloaded seperatly.)
> Alternately you can set up your lisp to accept UTF-16 encoding as
> standard-char.
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:http://www.opera.com/mail/
I'll think on that thanks - I see the thread has come back. Some
stuff I'm noticing with Google groups is
* disappearing threads
* multiple posts of the same message when moderated
* posts that are moderated, posted and yet stay on the moderation
queue
* posts I can see on the tree but which I cannot read
* inaccurate and misleading user activity information on the groups
* posts I click on in a tree of a thread but I get a different post
* server problems
It's quite a list and some of this stuff has been extant for a long
time. (Sigh) I guess its just part of life. Its particularly
annoying when you want to respond to someone and the thread has exited
into the ether. This is a rich company with a high rep so I'm
surprised they let this go on.
Anyhow 'nuff said. My next message is upbeat.
Mark
On May 24, 2:58 am, Mark Tarver <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24 May, 10:32, "John Thingstad" <··············@chello.no> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:39:05 +0200, Mark Tarver
>
> > <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Anyhow, John - thanks for the info which I read luckily before Google
> > > lost it. Yes indeed it was a non-standard character typographically
> > > identical to a standard one, probably the result of a paste from Word
> > > into Notepad2.
>
> > > I do get these same errors reading web pages into Lisp via TCL/tk and
> > > it seems that they crash through IGNORE-ERRORS so I'm looking for a
> > > way to trap this response.
>
> > > Mark
>
> > Well, Mark, have you considered using Drakma (Edi Weitz) as you
> > http-client instead.
> > Or you could use flexi-streams, a sub-library of Drakma, to convert the
> > encoding before
> > displaying it in Lisp. (can be dowloaded seperatly.)
> > Alternately you can set up your lisp to accept UTF-16 encoding as
> > standard-char.
>
> > --
> > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
> I'll think on that thanks - I see the thread has come back. Some
> stuff I'm noticing with Google groups is
>
> * disappearing threads
> * multiple posts of the same message when moderated
> * posts that are moderated, posted and yet stay on the moderation
> queue
> * posts I can see on the tree but which I cannot read
> * inaccurate and misleading user activity information on the groups
> * posts I click on in a tree of a thread but I get a different post
> * server problems
There was a lot of this recently. I think the threading and the
message archive must be on different servers or something. I wish
there were an NNTP API or a GNUS back-end.
In the last episode, on Thursday 24 May 2007 10:58, Mark Tarver wrote:
> On 24 May, 10:32, "John Thingstad" <··············@chello.no> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:39:05 +0200, Mark Tarver
>>
>> <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Anyhow, John - thanks for the info which I read luckily before Google
>> > lost it. Yes indeed it was a non-standard character typographically
>> > identical to a standard one, probably the result of a paste from Word
>> > into Notepad2.
>>
>> > I do get these same errors reading web pages into Lisp via TCL/tk and
>> > it seems that they crash through IGNORE-ERRORS so I'm looking for a
>> > way to trap this response.
>>
>> > Mark
>>
>> Well, Mark, have you considered using Drakma (Edi Weitz) as you
>> http-client instead.
>> Or you could use flexi-streams, a sub-library of Drakma, to convert the
>> encoding before
>> displaying it in Lisp. (can be dowloaded seperatly.)
>> Alternately you can set up your lisp to accept UTF-16 encoding as
>> standard-char.
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
> I'll think on that thanks - I see the thread has come back. Some
> stuff I'm noticing with Google groups is
>
> * disappearing threads
> * multiple posts of the same message when moderated
> * posts that are moderated, posted and yet stay on the moderation
> queue
> * posts I can see on the tree but which I cannot read
> * inaccurate and misleading user activity information on the groups
> * posts I click on in a tree of a thread but I get a different post
> * server problems
>
> It's quite a list and some of this stuff has been extant for a long
> time. (Sigh) I guess its just part of life. Its particularly
> annoying when you want to respond to someone and the thread has exited
> into the ether. This is a rich company with a high rep so I'm
> surprised they let this go on.
>
> Anyhow 'nuff said. My next message is upbeat.
>
> Mark
I recently set up a Google group for our local chapter of the ACCU - a
situation I now regret. I also added comp.lang.lisp to my list of groups in
GG, but am currently reading it via a USENET newsreader.
It's much alleged that when corporates get too big, they become desensitized
to the needs of their customers. Since "their customers" are often random
poeple who don't pay a dime, this is probably only going to be more true
for Google than for a big corp like (say) BMW.
Jeff.
On May 24, 3:41 pm, Jeff Rollin <··············@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the last episode, on Thursday 24 May 2007 10:58, Mark Tarver wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 24 May, 10:32, "John Thingstad" <··············@chello.no> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:39:05 +0200, Mark Tarver
>
> >> <··········@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> > Anyhow, John - thanks for the info which I read luckily before Google
> >> > lost it. Yes indeed it was a non-standard character typographically
> >> > identical to a standard one, probably the result of a paste from Word
> >> > into Notepad2.
>
> >> > I do get these same errors reading web pages into Lisp via TCL/tk and
> >> > it seems that they crash through IGNORE-ERRORS so I'm looking for a
> >> > way to trap this response.
>
> >> > Mark
>
> >> Well, Mark, have you considered using Drakma (Edi Weitz) as you
> >> http-client instead.
> >> Or you could use flexi-streams, a sub-library of Drakma, to convert the
> >> encoding before
> >> displaying it in Lisp. (can be dowloaded seperatly.)
> >> Alternately you can set up your lisp to accept UTF-16 encoding as
> >> standard-char.
>
> >> --
> >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
> > I'll think on that thanks - I see the thread has come back. Some
> > stuff I'm noticing with Google groups is
>
> > * disappearing threads
> > * multiple posts of the same message when moderated
> > * posts that are moderated, posted and yet stay on the moderation
> > queue
> > * posts I can see on the tree but which I cannot read
> > * inaccurate and misleading user activity information on the groups
> > * posts I click on in a tree of a thread but I get a different post
> > * server problems
>
> > It's quite a list and some of this stuff has been extant for a long
> > time. (Sigh) I guess its just part of life. Its particularly
> > annoying when you want to respond to someone and the thread has exited
> > into the ether. This is a rich company with a high rep so I'm
> > surprised they let this go on.
>
> > Anyhow 'nuff said. My next message is upbeat.
>
> > Mark
>
> I recently set up a Google group for our local chapter of the ACCU - a
> situation I now regret. I also added comp.lang.lisp to my list of groups in
> GG, but am currently reading it via a USENET newsreader.
>
> It's much alleged that when corporates get too big, they become desensitized
> to the needs of their customers. Since "their customers" are often random
> poeple who don't pay a dime, this is probably only going to be more true
> for Google than for a big corp like (say) BMW.
Here's the complaint form:
http://groups.google.com/support/bin/request.py
Dunno if it connects to anything, but it's worth a try.
From: Mark Evenson
Subject: Re: what the hell is wrong with Google groups? - was 'Character #\u2013 cannot be represented in the character set'
Date:
Message-ID: <46556E8C.4060504@panix.com>
Mark Tarver wrote:
> 'Character #\u2013 cannot be represented in the character set' was
> thread started by me and I was going to reply to John thanking him and
> Google says that the thread has disappeared or has been deleted.
>
> I think the performance of Google groups is well below what I'd
> expect. The software just isn't cutting it for me at all. But I
> find all complaints are ignored.
[NTTP][1]. Ask for it by name.
nntp://news.gmane.org
--
Mark Evenson <·······@panix.com>
"A screaming comes across the sky. It has happened before, but there is
nothing to compare to it now."