I am trying very hard too get a working Lisp environment up and
running so I can start actually learning the language. I can't seem to
get through the steps in Chapter 2 of the Practical Lisp tutorial.
Everything seems to work fine in the Repl but when I make a new buffer
using C-x C-f I get a file but I have no access to the Slime keys at
that point. In the tutorial it mentions sending your expression to the
Repl with C-c C-c but that is were my experience with the tutorial
description deviates. I also have watched the SLIME Tutorial movie and
I am in Slime and opening a new file exactly the same, but in that
tutorial I see that the buffer still allows you too use slime
commands. It also seems to be autoindenting which does not happen in
my buffer. I try using C-h k and checking the commands but they are
all "Not Defined". What am I doing wrong. I have tried 2 machines
Windows XP and both the Current Lispbox download and the one on the
gigamonkey site. Everything has the exact same problem. I also tried
downloading the lastest slime version and replacing the files but then
it doesn't even load into slime.
Any help or pointers too help would be greatly appreciated. I have
been trying very hard to pass this hurtle but am starting too burn out
and I haven't gotten too any of the fun stuff yet.
Hi,
Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with Lispbox.
Are you even in Lisp mode? What kinds of files do you open via C-x C-
f? Do you give them a name that ends in ".lisp", such that Emacs
recognizes them as Lisp source files?
Matthias
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> I am trying very hard too get a working Lisp environment up and
> running so I can start actually learning the language. I can't seem to
> get through the steps in Chapter 2 of the Practical Lisp tutorial.
> Everything seems to work fine in the Repl but when I make a new buffer
> using C-x C-f I get a file but I have no access to the Slime keys at
> that point. In the tutorial it mentions sending your expression to the
> Repl with C-c C-c but that is were my experience with the tutorial
> description deviates. I also have watched the SLIME Tutorial movie and
> I am in Slime and opening a new file exactly the same, but in that
> tutorial I see that the buffer still allows you too use slime
> commands. It also seems to be autoindenting which does not happen in
> my buffer. I try using C-h k and checking the commands but they are
> all "Not Defined". What am I doing wrong. I have tried 2 machines
> Windows XP and both the Current Lispbox download and the one on the
> gigamonkey site. Everything has the exact same problem. I also tried
> downloading the lastest slime version and replacing the files but then
> it doesn't even load into slime.
>
>
> Any help or pointers too help would be greatly appreciated. I have
> been trying very hard to pass this hurtle but am starting too burn out
> and I haven't gotten too any of the fun stuff yet.
>
Your check is in the mail. (long story.)
All the Practical code will work fine under free trial versions of
AllegroCL (www.franz.com) and Lispworks (www.lispworks.com). I prefer
the former, others the latter. Only masochists prefer
Emacs+Slime+whatever. You can fight that war later if you like, but
right now you should just be enjoying Lisp.
hth,kt
--
Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and
I'm happy to state I finally won out over it.
-- Elwood P. Dowd
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.
-- Elwood's Mom
On Mar 2, 6:22 pm, Ken Tilton <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
> ·······@msn.com wrote:
> > I am trying very hard too get a working Lisp environment up and
> > running so I can start actually learning the language. I can't seem to
> > get through the steps in Chapter 2 of the Practical Lisp tutorial.
> > Everything seems to work fine in the Repl but when I make a new buffer
> > using C-x C-f I get a file but I have no access to the Slime keys at
> > that point. In the tutorial it mentions sending your expression to the
> > Repl with C-c C-c but that is were my experience with the tutorial
> > description deviates. I also have watched the SLIME Tutorial movie and
> > I am in Slime and opening a new file exactly the same, but in that
> > tutorial I see that the buffer still allows you too use slime
> > commands. It also seems to be autoindenting which does not happen in
> > my buffer. I try using C-h k and checking the commands but they are
> > all "Not Defined". What am I doing wrong. I have tried 2 machines
> > Windows XP and both the Current Lispbox download and the one on the
> > gigamonkey site. Everything has the exact same problem. I also tried
> > downloading the lastest slime version and replacing the files but then
> > it doesn't even load into slime.
>
> > Any help or pointers too help would be greatly appreciated. I have
> > been trying very hard to pass this hurtle but am starting too burn out
> > and I haven't gotten too any of the fun stuff yet.
>
> Your check is in the mail. (long story.)
>
> All the Practical code will work fine under free trial versions of
> AllegroCL (www.franz.com) and Lispworks (www.lispworks.com). I prefer
> the former, others the latter. Only masochists prefer
> Emacs+Slime+whatever. You can fight that war later if you like, but
> right now you should just be enjoying Lisp.
>
> hth,kt
>
> --
> Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and
> I'm happy to state I finally won out over it.
> -- Elwood P. Dowd
>
> In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.
> -- Elwood's Mom
Ok, I am not too much of a masochist but I would like to learn
something I can stick with and everything I read leads me too believe
Slime is the dominate Lisp IDE. What do you recommend? I did try CUSP
cause it is in Eclipse and I really liked that alot except that SBCL
was not at all stable on windows I kept having too restart eclipse and
shut down a rampant SBCL in the taskmanager. I am not inclined too
learn the Allegro IDE cause all that licensing and download rigamarole
is a real turn off.
What parts of the practical Lisp will not work on CLISP cause that is
what I am using. If Common Lisp is a standard shouldn't it be mor... I
would finish that thought but you probably get the point. Thanks for
the input.
·······@msn.com wrote:
> On Mar 2, 6:22 pm, Ken Tilton <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>·······@msn.com wrote:
>>
>>>I am trying very hard too get a working Lisp environment up and
>>>running so I can start actually learning the language. I can't seem to
>>>get through the steps in Chapter 2 of the Practical Lisp tutorial.
>>>Everything seems to work fine in the Repl but when I make a new buffer
>>>using C-x C-f I get a file but I have no access to the Slime keys at
>>>that point. In the tutorial it mentions sending your expression to the
>>>Repl with C-c C-c but that is were my experience with the tutorial
>>>description deviates. I also have watched the SLIME Tutorial movie and
>>>I am in Slime and opening a new file exactly the same, but in that
>>>tutorial I see that the buffer still allows you too use slime
>>>commands. It also seems to be autoindenting which does not happen in
>>>my buffer. I try using C-h k and checking the commands but they are
>>>all "Not Defined". What am I doing wrong. I have tried 2 machines
>>>Windows XP and both the Current Lispbox download and the one on the
>>>gigamonkey site. Everything has the exact same problem. I also tried
>>>downloading the lastest slime version and replacing the files but then
>>>it doesn't even load into slime.
>>
>>>Any help or pointers too help would be greatly appreciated. I have
>>>been trying very hard to pass this hurtle but am starting too burn out
>>>and I haven't gotten too any of the fun stuff yet.
>>
>>Your check is in the mail. (long story.)
>>
>>All the Practical code will work fine under free trial versions of
>>AllegroCL (www.franz.com) and Lispworks (www.lispworks.com). I prefer
>>the former, others the latter. Only masochists prefer
>>Emacs+Slime+whatever. You can fight that war later if you like, but
>>right now you should just be enjoying Lisp.
>>
>>hth,kt
>>
>>--
>>Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and
>>I'm happy to state I finally won out over it.
>> -- Elwood P. Dowd
>>
>>In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.
>> -- Elwood's Mom
>
>
> Ok, I am not too much of a masochist but I would like to learn
> something I can stick with and everything I read leads me too believe
> Slime is the dominate Lisp IDE. What do you recommend?
If you anticipate sailing about all the time from Lisp to Lisp then
emacs+slime has obvious appeal. Meanwhile I see you are up and running
on Slime so have fun with Lisp. But you will not be using the /dominant/
IDE, you will be using the /portable/ IDE.
kt
--
Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and
I'm happy to state I finally won out over it.
-- Elwood P. Dowd
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.
-- Elwood's Mom
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 10:29:49 +0100, Ken Tilton <·········@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you anticipate sailing about all the time from Lisp to Lisp then
> emacs+slime has obvious appeal. Meanwhile I see you are up and running
> on Slime so have fun with Lisp. But you will not be using the /dominant/
> IDE, you will be using the /portable/ IDE.
>
> kt
>
Personally I find ACL's IDE sucks.
I can't use it despite having had it for a year.
Everything about it annoys me..
Spending half the day laying out windows.
Non compatible projects make sharing code difficult.
Where is compile buffer in the menu? All I have is incremental compile.
Key selection is like nothing I have ever seen. Pretty much have to learn
it from scratch.
I never liked Delphi and I don't lie ACL's similar layout scheme any
better..
(Borland sucks (or sucked at any rate) at windows design, that is what
broke the company)
Is it dominant? I find most ACL users actually use the EMACS inteface.
compiler is great, libraries are great..
ilisp is great.. or.. you can use SLIME :)
As Lisp IDE's go LispWorks IDE works for me. (Get Edi's starter pack as
well)
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:34:19 -0800, JoeyTaj wrote:
> I am trying very hard too get a working Lisp environment up and running so
> I can start actually learning the language. I can't seem to get through
> the steps in Chapter 2 of the Practical Lisp tutorial. Everything seems to
> work fine in the Repl but when I make a new buffer using C-x C-f I get a
> file but I have no access to the Slime keys at that point. In the tutorial
> it mentions sending your expression to the Repl with C-c C-c but that is
> were my experience with the tutorial description deviates. I also have
> watched the SLIME Tutorial movie and I am in Slime and opening a new file
> exactly the same, but in that tutorial I see that the buffer still allows
> you too use slime commands. It also seems to be autoindenting which does
> not happen in my buffer. I try using C-h k and checking the commands but
> they are all "Not Defined". What am I doing wrong. I have tried 2 machines
> Windows XP and both the Current Lispbox download and the one on the
> gigamonkey site. Everything has the exact same problem. I also tried
> downloading the lastest slime version and replacing the files but then it
> doesn't even load into slime.
>
>
> Any help or pointers too help would be greatly appreciated. I have been
> trying very hard to pass this hurtle but am starting too burn out and I
> haven't gotten too any of the fun stuff yet.
I don't have an answer to your question, and I hope that this doesn't
cause the thread to drift off of your topic, but I have an additional
newbie slime related question that might fit within scope.
Is there a way to send stuff from the buffer to the REPL *without*
compiling, a la C-c C-e in emacs not running Slime? I know about (load),
but sometimes I just want to send one function to the REPL without saving
and then loading the whole buffer. For what it is worth I am running on a
Mac.
Thank you.
Hi,
> Is there a way to send stuff from the buffer to the REPL *without*
> compiling, a la C-c C-e in emacs not running Slime?
slime-eval-last-expression, bound to C-x C-e here (the same keychord
as for eval-last-sexp in elisp-mode; C-c C-e doesn't seem to be
defined in my Emacs).
Matthias
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:59:28 -0800, Matthias Benkard wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Is there a way to send stuff from the buffer to the REPL *without*
>> compiling, a la C-c C-e in emacs not running Slime?
>
> slime-eval-last-expression, bound to C-x C-e here (the same keychord as
> for eval-last-sexp in elisp-mode; C-c C-e doesn't seem to be defined in my
> Emacs).
>
> Matthias
Matthias,
Thank you for your reply. One of my computers with emacs has C-c C-e
bound to eval-last-sexp which is how I got used to doing it. The one
with Slime has it bound to C-x C-e which I now realize is how I should
have been doing it all along. I don't know how I missed that.
Thanks
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:34:19 +0100, <·······@msn.com> wrote:
> I am trying very hard too get a working Lisp environment up and
> running so I can start actually learning the language. I can't seem to
> get through the steps in Chapter 2 of the Practical Lisp tutorial.
> Everything seems to work fine in the Repl but when I make a new buffer
> using C-x C-f I get a file but I have no access to the Slime keys at
> that point. In the tutorial it mentions sending your expression to the
> Repl with C-c C-c but that is were my experience with the tutorial
> description deviates. I also have watched the SLIME Tutorial movie and
> I am in Slime and opening a new file exactly the same, but in that
> tutorial I see that the buffer still allows you too use slime
> commands. It also seems to be autoindenting which does not happen in
> my buffer. I try using C-h k and checking the commands but they are
> all "Not Defined". What am I doing wrong. I have tried 2 machines
> Windows XP and both the Current Lispbox download and the one on the
> gigamonkey site. Everything has the exact same problem. I also tried
> downloading the lastest slime version and replacing the files but then
> it doesn't even load into slime.
>
>
> Any help or pointers too help would be greatly appreciated. I have
> been trying very hard to pass this hurtle but am starting too burn out
> and I haven't gotten too any of the fun stuff yet.
>
You are not in SLIME mode.
If you open a file with the extension lisp or
<Alt>-x slime-mode <Enter> I supect it will work.
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On Mar 2, 6:25 pm, "John Thingstad" <··············@chello.no> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:34:19 +0100, <·······@msn.com> wrote:
> > I am trying very hard too get a working Lisp environment up and
> > running so I can start actually learning the language. I can't seem to
> > get through the steps in Chapter 2 of the Practical Lisp tutorial.
> > Everything seems to work fine in the Repl but when I make a new buffer
> > using C-x C-f I get a file but I have no access to the Slime keys at
> > that point. In the tutorial it mentions sending your expression to the
> > Repl with C-c C-c but that is were my experience with the tutorial
> > description deviates. I also have watched the SLIME Tutorial movie and
> > I am in Slime and opening a new file exactly the same, but in that
> > tutorial I see that the buffer still allows you too use slime
> > commands. It also seems to be autoindenting which does not happen in
> > my buffer. I try using C-h k and checking the commands but they are
> > all "Not Defined". What am I doing wrong. I have tried 2 machines
> > Windows XP and both the Current Lispbox download and the one on the
> > gigamonkey site. Everything has the exact same problem. I also tried
> > downloading the lastest slime version and replacing the files but then
> > it doesn't even load into slime.
>
> > Any help or pointers too help would be greatly appreciated. I have
> > been trying very hard to pass this hurtle but am starting too burn out
> > and I haven't gotten too any of the fun stuff yet.
>
> You are not in SLIME mode.
> If you open a file with the extension lisp or
> <Alt>-x slime-mode <Enter> I supect it will work.
>
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M-x slime-mode did work (Thanks a million) but not the extension thing
which I had already tried. Still it kinda bugs me as too why that is
not mentioned in Practical Lisp and I did not see that happen in the
SLIME Tutorial Movie. What is wrong in my core setup?
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:44:46 +0100, <·······@msn.com> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 6:25 pm, "John Thingstad" <··············@chello.no> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:34:19 +0100, <·······@msn.com> wrote:
>> > I am trying very hard too get a working Lisp environment up and
>> > running so I can start actually learning the language. I can't seem to
>> > get through the steps in Chapter 2 of the Practical Lisp tutorial.
>> > Everything seems to work fine in the Repl but when I make a new buffer
>> > using C-x C-f I get a file but I have no access to the Slime keys at
>> > that point. In the tutorial it mentions sending your expression to the
>> > Repl with C-c C-c but that is were my experience with the tutorial
>> > description deviates. I also have watched the SLIME Tutorial movie and
>> > I am in Slime and opening a new file exactly the same, but in that
>> > tutorial I see that the buffer still allows you too use slime
>> > commands. It also seems to be autoindenting which does not happen in
>> > my buffer. I try using C-h k and checking the commands but they are
>> > all "Not Defined". What am I doing wrong. I have tried 2 machines
>> > Windows XP and both the Current Lispbox download and the one on the
>> > gigamonkey site. Everything has the exact same problem. I also tried
>> > downloading the lastest slime version and replacing the files but then
>> > it doesn't even load into slime.
>>
>> > Any help or pointers too help would be greatly appreciated. I have
>> > been trying very hard to pass this hurtle but am starting too burn out
>> > and I haven't gotten too any of the fun stuff yet.
>>
>> You are not in SLIME mode.
>> If you open a file with the extension lisp or
>> <Alt>-x slime-mode <Enter> I supect it will work.
>>
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>
>
>
>
>
> M-x slime-mode did work (Thanks a million) but not the extension thing
> which I had already tried. Still it kinda bugs me as too why that is
> not mentioned in Practical Lisp and I did not see that happen in the
> SLIME Tutorial Movie. What is wrong in my core setup?
>
>
in the config file for slime there should be a
(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.lisp\\'" . slime-mode))
if not you can add it to your .emacs file. (site-init/site-start.el)
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