Folks,
I've been studying Ruby & that's got me thinking of Lisp (I, ages ago,
used AutoLisp (& I know that it's not the same thing!)).. I'm thinking
of learning Lisp using Jabberwocky... (I'm on Windows but thinking of
going 1/2 (plus(?)) Debian sometime soon..)..
I'm thinking too of the tool as one I can use if I ever begin showing
others the 'basics' of Lisp.
Thanks (advance(d))
K
> I've been studying Ruby & that's got me thinking of Lisp (I, ages ago,
> used AutoLisp (& I know that it's not the same thing!)).. I'm thinking
> of learning Lisp using Jabberwocky... (I'm on Windows but thinking of
> going 1/2 (plus(?)) Debian sometime soon..)..
>
> I'm thinking too of the tool as one I can use if I ever begin showing
> others the 'basics' of Lisp.
I don't know JabberLisp, or whatever, so instead of answering your
perfectly reasonable question, I'm going to go off on a tangent. No,
actually, before going off on a tangent, I'm going to answer your
perfectly reasonable question: Download the ACL demo version. It's the
best free lisp there is. Okay, now that I've started a firestorm there,
on to the tangential firestorm I wanted to start!
I don't get why folks want to download Lisps, or anything else to their
computers anylonger. Don't you listen to Google: The Future is The
past: *TimeShare*!!! >>Give Us Your Data, Your Code, Your Starving
Knowledge Yearning to be Housed<< Isn't that their mantra?! Aren't they
worth eleventy billion dollars?! Don't they use Python -- They MUST
know what they're doing! You want a perfectly good Lisp that you can
show your friends (even your friends all the way around the world in
real time)!? Just TimeShare a Lisp on the KnowOS demo server at
www.biobike.org. Let us (in this case -- or someone with a server farm
in the best case) run your Lisps for you! Franz or Lispworx, or, hell I
dunno, www.knowos.com or www.lispfarm.com would run your KnowOS server
farm for you. Then you wouldn't need to load a damned thing. Nor would
you need to keep it up to date, nor would you need to use your own
cycles, nor would we need to keep fighting over The One True Lisp --
The One True Lisp is The One Running at www.lispfarm.com (or, at the
moment, www.biobike.org). (Of course, back in the bad old days we
didn't call it TimeSharing -- back then it was just Timesharing, but
Google has changed all that -- they made is unprogrammable, so the
second S needed to be capitalized!!)
Okay, that should wake everyone up enough to flame me! :-)
·········@gmail.com" <········@gmail.com> writes:
> perfectly reasonable question: Download the ACL demo version. It's the
> best free lisp there is. Okay, now that I've started a firestorm there,
> on to the tangential firestorm I wanted to start!
Let me add some more gasoline: the original poster may also consider
downloading the LispWorks trial edition (e.g. for trying CAPI).
> I don't get why folks want to download Lisps, or anything else to their
> computers anylonger. Don't you listen to Google: The Future is The
> past: *TimeShare*!!! >>Give Us Your Data, Your Code, Your Starving
With due respect for KnowOS and Google, the future is not here, at
least for me.
I have heard great things about web applications and WEB 2.0, but I
have always found their performance sluggish with all the computers
and network connections I have access to at home and work. For the
record, I live in Milano, the second largest city in Italy.
Simply put, network latency completely kills my work and thought flow.
And I'm not even one of those rocket typing/editing hackers. Not to
mention the lack of features (e.g. the phpBB "keyhole style" message
editing fields are simply not an option for someone accustomed to Gnus
and the full Emacs editing power at one's fingertips).
Paolo
--
Why Lisp? http://wiki.alu.org/RtL%20Highlight%20Film
The Common Lisp Directory: http://www.cl-user.net
Instead of AjaxLisp, and since Jabberwocky was brought up, I was
curious if it was possible to WebStart-ify Jabberwocky to be something
like Cusp (http://www.paragent.com/lisp/cusp/cusp.htm). I'm not sure
of the security model of WebStart though and how it can deal with
native executables.
Jabberwocky hasn't been worked on in a while, and I had nothing but
trouble with it. If you're not gung-ho about the usual suspect of
Emacs+Slime, I'd recommend Cusp.
Paolo Amoroso wrote:
> ·········@gmail.com" <········@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > perfectly reasonable question: Download the ACL demo version. It's the
> > best free lisp there is. Okay, now that I've started a firestorm there,
> > on to the tangential firestorm I wanted to start!
>
> Let me add some more gasoline: the original poster may also consider
> downloading the LispWorks trial edition (e.g. for trying CAPI).
>
>
> > I don't get why folks want to download Lisps, or anything else to their
> > computers anylonger. Don't you listen to Google: The Future is The
> > past: *TimeShare*!!! >>Give Us Your Data, Your Code, Your Starving
>
> With due respect for KnowOS and Google, the future is not here, at
> least for me.
>
> I have heard great things about web applications and WEB 2.0, but I
> have always found their performance sluggish with all the computers
> and network connections I have access to at home and work. For the
> record, I live in Milano, the second largest city in Italy.
>
> Simply put, network latency completely kills my work and thought flow.
> And I'm not even one of those rocket typing/editing hackers. Not to
> mention the lack of features (e.g. the phpBB "keyhole style" message
> editing fields are simply not an option for someone accustomed to Gnus
> and the full Emacs editing power at one's fingertips).
>
>
> Paolo
> --
> Why Lisp? http://wiki.alu.org/RtL%20Highlight%20Film
> The Common Lisp Directory: http://www.cl-user.net
From: Pascal Costanza
Subject: Re: poll of comp.lang.lisp folk on the virtues of Jabberwocky
Date:
Message-ID: <4qgg5kFn23dmU1@individual.net>
KevinZzz wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I've been studying Ruby & that's got me thinking of Lisp (I, ages ago,
> used AutoLisp (& I know that it's not the same thing!)).. I'm thinking
> of learning Lisp using Jabberwocky... (I'm on Windows but thinking of
> going 1/2 (plus(?)) Debian sometime soon..)..
>
> I'm thinking too of the tool as one I can use if I ever begin showing
> others the 'basics' of Lisp.
The typical combination of tools is to either use Emacs + SLIME + one of
the supported CL implementations, or use one of the
free-for-personal-use commercial implementations which come with IDEs.
A list of implementations can be found at
http://www.cl-user.net/asp/tags/implementations
Pascal
--
My website: http://p-cos.net
Common Lisp Document Repository: http://cdr.eurolisp.org
Closer to MOP & ContextL: http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:58:07 -0700, KevinZzz wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I've been studying Ruby & that's got me thinking of Lisp (I, ages ago,
> used AutoLisp (& I know that it's not the same thing!)).. I'm thinking
> of learning Lisp using Jabberwocky... (I'm on Windows but thinking of
> going 1/2 (plus(?)) Debian sometime soon..)..
>
> I'm thinking too of the tool as one I can use if I ever begin showing
> others the 'basics' of Lisp.
>
> Thanks (advance(d))
>
> K
Lisp is the tool. I've never tried Jabberwocky - I'm into SBCL and use
Emacs + Slime as an IDE.
Running WinXP under `vmware-player' is a great "1/2" if you're not into
hardcore gaming - but still; a lot of games run native on Linux and WoW
runs fine under Wine.
I like Ubuntu. Ubuntu "is" Debian with extra goodies. Try out the combined
live-/install-CD:
http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download#currentrelease
--
Lars Rune Nøstdal
http://lars.nostdal.org/
From: Anil Mamede
Subject: Re: poll of comp.lang.lisp folk on the virtues of Jabberwocky
Date:
Message-ID: <ehvpsj$km2$1@chiara.aioe.org>
I'm going to work with lisp again but unfortunately I've to work in
Windows XP. I installed EMACS and CLISP, soon i'll install SLIME.