Tin Gherdanarra wrote:
> http://google.at/trends?q=cobol%2C+lisp
>
> --
> Lisp kann nicht kratzen, denn Lisp ist fluessig
Meh, Lisp kicks Cobol's ass -
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=lisp&word2=cobol
:)
Brad
bradb wrote:
> Tin Gherdanarra wrote:
>
>>http://google.at/trends?q=cobol%2C+lisp
>>
>>--
>>Lisp kann nicht kratzen, denn Lisp ist fluessig
>
>
> Meh, Lisp kicks Cobol's ass -
> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=lisp&word2=cobol
> :)
>
> Brad
>
This is admittedly hilarious (and encouraging), but.
Googlefights lists *accumulated* Lisp-stuff
while Googletrends lists *interest* in Lisp-stuff.
For me this looks as if Lisp is on par with COBOL
when it comes to exciting newbies. Half of the
queries Google counts are probably from me.
--
Lisp kann nicht kratzen, denn Lisp ist fluessig
arnuld wrote:
> Tin Gherdanarra wrote:
>
>>http://google.at/trends?q=cobol%2C+lisp
>>
>
>
> what *exactly* does that mean?
>
To me it looks as if Lisp excites people about
as much and COBOL, and excitement is declining.
--
Lisp kann nicht kratzen, denn Lisp ist fluessig
In article <···············@individual.net>,
Tin Gherdanarra <···········@gmail.com> wrote:
> arnuld wrote:
> > Tin Gherdanarra wrote:
> >
> >>http://google.at/trends?q=cobol%2C+lisp
> >>
> >
> >
> > what *exactly* does that mean?
> >
> To me it looks as if Lisp excites people about
> as much and COBOL, and excitement is declining.
It looks to me like interest in both COBOL and Lisp have been declining,
but COBOL has been declining faster than Lisp.
--
Barry Margolin, ······@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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In article <···············@individual.net>,
Tin Gherdanarra <···········@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://google.at/trends?q=cobol%2C+lisp
You think that's bad, try this:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=lisp%2C+ruby+on+rails
You can also try all the usual suspects: C++, Java, Python, Perl...
You will notice two things:
1. Lisp's popularity in terms of search frequency is right up there
with Haskell (and Cobol).
2. Interest in ALL languages is declining. This is consistent with
declining CS undergraduate enrollments.
rg
Ron Garret wrote:
> 2. Interest in ALL languages is declining. This is consistent with
> declining CS undergraduate enrollments.
Maybe it's also because the share of "computing" people among google
(i.e internet) users is declining? Even if the number of
computing-related searches per person was not declining, I'd say even
"technical" users search for more and more non-technical content. There
are similar downward trends for CPU, network, printers, computing,
linux, windows, drivers, warez...
············@gmail.com wrote:
> Ron Garret wrote:
> > 2. Interest in ALL languages is declining. This is consistent with
> > declining CS undergraduate enrollments.
>
> Maybe it's also because the share of "computing" people among google
> (i.e internet) users is declining? Even if the number of
> computing-related searches per person was not declining, I'd say even
> "technical" users search for more and more non-technical content. There
> are similar downward trends for CPU, network, printers, computing,
> linux, windows, drivers, warez...
> is this line old?
I wouldn't get to worked up over this. It's actually quite encouraging:
it means
more people prefer something else to lisp. But you shouldn't really
care about
"more people" because most people used to prefer Visual Basic (now they
are
switching to the new Cobol^G^G^G^G^G Java).
In fact, I have noticed that the more advanced the language, the less
trendy it
is. In fact, when compared with C++ and Java, Lisp preety much looks
like a
straight line on the bottom. So does Ocaml, Haskell, etc...
Still, there are big communities surrounding these languages (there is
an impressive
amount of code posted online for each of the languages I mentioned --
libraries, etc). I would say the libraries are comparable to Java's. So
I really really think the quality of the
two groups differs by quite a lot.
To draw a conclusion, there's nothing to worry about. In fact, the
results
should encourage you to continue with lisp ;-)
··············@gmail.com wrote:
> I wouldn't get to worked up over this. It's actually quite encouraging:
> it means more people prefer something else to lisp. But you shouldn't really
> care about "more people" because most people used to prefer Visual Basic (now they
> are switching to the new Cobol^G^G^G^G^G Java).
I noticed that India was the biggest searcher for cobol. As far as I'm
concerned, they can have ALL the cobol work that is out there because I
don't want any of it.
I mean, my god, who programs in cobol by choice? One thing I'm not
worried about is India stealing Silicon Valley's lunch money by
becoming the leader in cobol expertise.
Perhaps it happens but I have never in my 20 years of programming
actually heard of a new project being written in cobol. I've heard of
people suffering through the torture of maintaining old cobol code but
that is more a case of golden handcuffs rather than "ooh, that looks
REALLY cool, I want to work on that!".
"funkyj" <······@gmail.com> writes:
> I noticed that India was the biggest searcher for cobol. As far as I'm
> concerned, they can have ALL the cobol work that is out there because I
> don't want any of it.
What do you have against India? Are you a Pakistani?
--
The lithobraker. Zero distance stops at any speed.
ATGATT: Because stone is harder than flesh.
Being non-CS lisper I was pleasantly surprised that my Country Lisp is
still in university
classes.
I don't know how much of it is thought but I spoke yesterday with CS
student ( a part time Java programmer) and was pleasantly surpirised
when he said that defun is just great.
So while I'm not a single Lisper Lisp is great.
The rest could keep all the cobol in the world.
bobi
funkyj wrote:
> I mean, my god, who programs in cobol by choice? One thing I'm not
> worried about is India stealing Silicon Valley's lunch money by
> becoming the leader in cobol expertise.
>
> Perhaps it happens but I have never in my 20 years of programming
> actually heard of a new project being written in cobol. I've heard of
> people suffering through the torture of maintaining old cobol code but
> that is more a case of golden handcuffs rather than "ooh, that looks
> REALLY cool, I want to work on that!".
I work with someone who occasionally gives classes on Cobol. I should
add that he picked up Common Lisp quickly (that is, without tantrums)
just to work with someone, even as he had other customers.
Tayssir
funkyj wrote:
> I noticed that India was the biggest searcher for cobol. As far as I'm
> concerned, they can have ALL the cobol work that is out there because I
> don't want any of it.
I found this interesting:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22software+testing%22
Paul
Ron Garret wrote:
> In article <···············@individual.net>,
> Tin Gherdanarra <···········@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>http://google.at/trends?q=cobol%2C+lisp
>
>
> You think that's bad, try this:
>
> http://www.google.com/trends?q=lisp%2C+ruby+on+rails
>
> You can also try all the usual suspects: C++, Java, Python, Perl...
>
> You will notice two things:
>
> 1. Lisp's popularity in terms of search frequency is right up there
> with Haskell (and Cobol).
>
> 2. Interest in ALL languages is declining. This is consistent with
> declining CS undergraduate enrollments.
>
> rg
You are right. I hate it when this happens.
--
Lisp kann nicht kratzen, denn Lisp ist fluessig
Ron Garret wrote:
> 2. Interest in ALL languages is declining. This is consistent with
> declining CS undergraduate enrollments.
>
> rg
WOOHOO! More jobs for me!
--
The science of economics is the cleverest proof of free will yet
constructed.
Tin Gherdanarra wrote:
> http://google.at/trends?q=cobol%2C+lisp
click on the languages tab. if you compare by language english,
chinese and german show close to an even amount of interest in cobol
and lisp.
It is interesting that tagalog has the most searches for cobol and
lisp. What is up with that?
--fj
funkyj wrote:
> Tin Gherdanarra wrote:
> > http://google.at/trends?q=cobol%2C+lisp
>
> click on the languages tab. if you compare by language english,
> chinese and german show close to an even amount of interest in cobol
> and lisp.
>
> It is interesting that tagalog has the most searches for cobol and
> lisp. What is up with that?
It wouldn't surprise me if the word "cobol" has some other meaning in
other languages. Hence the number of foreign hits.
"Rob Thorpe" <·············@antenova.com> writes:
> It wouldn't surprise me if the word "cobol" has some other meaning in
> other languages.
Yeah, it means "money" in low-cost IT countries ;-)
--
(espen)
Tin Gherdanarra <···········@gmail.com> wrote:
+---------------
| http://google.at/trends?q=cobol%2C+lisp
+---------------
Not a problem! All we need is someone interested in developing
a high-quality COBOL proprocessor/translator for Common Lisp!! ;-} ;-}
After all, it can't be *too* much harder than Fortran, right?
http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Fortran-to-Lisp.html<
-Rob
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