From: Adam Jones
Subject: Re: relativity of programming languages
Date: 
Message-ID: <1156804871.814550.264160@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
Fabien LE LEZ wrote:
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>
> I suppose Python is not a completely useless language, so I suppose
> the programmer doesn't even know much of Python to write something as
> complicated as:
>
> >score = {("Python", "ease of learning"):100, ("Python", "ease of use"):100, ("Python", "speed of program execution"):10, ("Python", "quality of available tools"):70, ("Python", "popularity"):50, ("Python", "power & expressiveness"):100, ("Python", "cross platform?"):100, ("Python", "cost"):100,
> >("Perl", "ease of learning"):50, ("Perl", "ease of use"):90, ("Perl", "speed of program execution"):30, ("Perl", "quality of available tools"):50, ("Perl", "popularity"):75, ("Perl", "power & expressiveness"):100, ("Perl", "cross platform?"):100, ("Perl", "cost"):100,
> >("Ruby", "ease of learning"):50, ("Ruby", "ease of use"):100, ("Ruby", "speed of program execution"):20, ("Ruby", "quality of available tools"):20, ("Ruby", "popularity"):10, ("Ruby", "power & expressiveness"):100, ("Ruby", "cross platform?"):80, ("Ruby", "cost"):100,
> >("Tcl", "ease of learning"):100, ("Tcl", "ease of use"):100, ("Tcl", "speed of program execution"):10, ("Tcl", "quality of available tools"):50, ("Tcl", "popularity"):40, ("Tcl", "power & expressiveness"):10, ("Tcl", "cross platform?"):100, ("Tcl", "cost"):100,
> >("JavaScript", "ease of learning"):70, ("JavaScript", "ease of use"):75, ("JavaScript", "speed of program execution"):10, ("JavaScript", "quality of available tools"):50, ("JavaScript", "popularity"):100, ("JavaScript", "power & expressiveness"):40, ("JavaScript", "cross platform?"):50, ("JavaScript", "cost"):100,
> >("Visual Basic", "ease of learning"):50, ("Visual Basic", "ease of use"):100, ("Visual Basic", "speed of program execution"):20, ("Visual Basic", "quality of available tools"):100, ("Visual Basic", "popularity"):100, ("Visual Basic", "power & expressiveness"):50, ("Visual Basic", "cross platform?"):1, ("Visual Basic", "cost"):1,
> >("Java", "ease of learning"):15, ("Java", "ease of use"):50, ("Java", "speed of program execution"):50, ("Java", "quality of available tools"):100, ("Java", "popularity"):100, ("Java", "power & expressiveness"):100, ("Java", "cross platform?"):100, ("Java", "cost"):100,
> >("C++", "ease of learning"):10, ("C++", "ease of use"):25, ("C++", "speed of program execution"):90, ("C++", "quality of available tools"):100, ("C++", "popularity"):100, ("C++", "power & expressiveness"):100, ("C++", "cross platform?"):100, ("C++", "cost"):100,
> >("C", "ease of learning"):15, ("C", "ease of use"):10, ("C", "speed of program execution"):100, ("C", "quality of available tools"):100, ("C", "popularity"):100, ("C", "power & expressiveness"):100, ("C", "cross platform?"):110, ("C", "cost"):100,
> >("Lisp", "ease of learning"):20, ("Lisp", "ease of use"):30, ("Lisp", "speed of program execution"):70, ("Lisp", "quality of available tools"):50, ("Lisp", "popularity"):25, ("Lisp", "power & expressiveness"):110, ("Lisp", "cross platform?"):80, ("Lisp", "cost"):90,
> >("Delphi", "ease of learning"):50, ("Delphi", "ease of use"):110, ("Delphi", "speed of program execution"):85, ("Delphi", "quality of available tools"):100, ("Delphi", "popularity"):30, ("Delphi", "power & expressiveness"):100, ("Delphi", "cross platform?"):80, ("Delphi", "cost"):10}
>
> So, what can he say about Python's ease of learning or ease of use?

FWIW there are much easier ways to write something like that in Python.
For instance:
score= {"Python":{"attr":100, ...}
 "Lisp":{"attr":100, ...}
 ...
 "Delphi":{"attr":100,...}}

There might even be something easier to work with which I am missing.

I would say that the complicated way this is being expressed has more
to do with the programmer than the language.
From: Fabien LE LEZ
Subject: Re: relativity of programming languages
Date: 
Message-ID: <a007f29j9fhapevcnecf72cd18sudfa4nl@4ax.com>
On 28 Aug 2006 15:41:11 -0700, "Adam Jones" <·······@gmail.com>:

>I would say that the complicated way this is being expressed has more
>to do with the programmer than the language.

That's exactly what I said.