It's been a few years since I last started up my Symbolics XL1201 Lisp
Machine; when I did start it up, the ancient monitor produced only
garbled noise: a problem it occasionally had a few years ago when it
was left on for a long time. I guess it has finally died.
I have a 10 base 2 transceiver for the LispM but I no longer have a box
with 10 base 2 to connect it to. (I only have a Powerbook these days.)
I suppose I could buy a 10 base T transceiver. However, I can't
remember if I had enabled remote login in my startup file, or if it is
enabled by default. If it is enabled right now, I could telnet into the
box and start the X client and still be able to use this lovely XL1201.
If it isn't enabled, hopefully the keyboard still works through the
console and nothing strange happens during startup that would prevent
me from blindly pressing the keystrokes needed to enable remote login.
If this doesn't work though, is there anything else I can do?
What do the console interface boxes go for these days that let a
generic VGA monitor be used, and do they work with the XL1201?
Or should I just give up on this thing and sell the XL1201 pizza box on
eBay or the SLUG list to a Symbolics veteran that has all the other
stuff? Now that both PCs and the Mac are going to ultimately be using
the same AMD64 architecture, has anyone heard if Symbolics is planning
on doing OpenGenera for AMD64?
It sure has been a long time since I last posted here....
---Chris Barry
··················@yahoo.com wrote:
> Now that both PCs and the Mac are going to ultimately be using
> the same AMD64 architecture, has anyone heard if Symbolics is planning
> on doing OpenGenera for AMD64?
I have no hard data, or even rumour. But I imagine that when (if?) the
current symbolics.com owners get around to checking their web logs,
they're going to notice a spike for this month. There's a story going
around listing the oldest registered domains, and symbolics.com is #1.
The domain is even mentioned in my Sunday newspaper. Visualize a hundred
thousand bored people landing at their home page for a quick dose of
disappointment.
From: Edi Weitz
Subject: Re: Running Symbolics XL1201 Lisp Machine without remote login enabled....
Date:
Message-ID: <uy84k2dxe.fsf@agharta.de>
On 23 Oct 2005 12:23:34 -0700, ··················@yahoo.com wrote:
> Now that both PCs and the Mac are going to ultimately be using the
> same AMD64 architecture, has anyone heard if Symbolics is planning
> on doing OpenGenera for AMD64?
There seems to be an effort to port it to PowerPC. Looks like they
didn't ask Steve Jobs about his future plans before they started... :)
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Cheers,
Edi.
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From: Carl Shapiro
Subject: Re: Running Symbolics XL1201 Lisp Machine without remote login enabled....
Date:
Message-ID: <ouyirvfdivw.fsf@panix3.panix.com>
Edi Weitz <········@agharta.de> writes:
> There seems to be an effort to port it to PowerPC. Looks like they
> didn't ask Steve Jobs about his future plans before they started... :)
Ha! The all too familiar fate of all things Symbolics: picking the
wrong bus, the wrong host system, and now the wrong processors--one
after another--as the target of virtual machines.
There was an AT bus Ivory co-processor (call the Chiquita, I think)
prototype, and later talk of reviving it after the release of Micro
Channel PCs. Symbolics might have been better off if they weren't
promoting a minority language on minority hardware every step of the
way.
Carl Shapiro <········@panix.com> writes:
> Edi Weitz <········@agharta.de> writes:
>
>> There seems to be an effort to port it to PowerPC. Looks like they
>> didn't ask Steve Jobs about his future plans before they started... :)
>
> Ha! The all too familiar fate of all things Symbolics: picking the
> wrong bus, the wrong host system, and now the wrong processors--one
> after another--as the target of virtual machines.
>
> There was an AT bus Ivory co-processor (call the Chiquita, I think)
> prototype, and later talk of reviving it after the release of Micro
> Channel PCs. Symbolics might have been better off if they weren't
> promoting a minority language on minority hardware every step of the
> way.
Bad luck.
But OpenGenera on PPC will still be useful thanks to IBM.
Or would you bet IBM will drop PowerPC too?
--
__Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/
Grace personified,
I leap into the window.
I meant to do that.
From: Carl Shapiro
Subject: Re: Running Symbolics XL1201 Lisp Machine without remote login enabled....
Date:
Message-ID: <ouyek63dah0.fsf@panix3.panix.com>
Pascal Bourguignon <····@mouse-potato.com> writes:
> But OpenGenera on PPC will still be useful thanks to IBM.
> Or would you bet IBM will drop PowerPC too?
Nobody has ever successfully retreated to the high-end of the market.
When the cheap developer workstations disappear ISAs lose mind share
and fall off the radar.
Carl Shapiro wrote:
> Pascal Bourguignon <····@mouse-potato.com> writes:
>
>> But OpenGenera on PPC will still be useful thanks to IBM.
>> Or would you bet IBM will drop PowerPC too?
>
> Nobody has ever successfully retreated to the high-end of the market.
> When the cheap developer workstations disappear ISAs lose mind share
> and fall off the radar.
But so far Power (not PPC) and Itanic are high-end and there's some
demand I guess. Ok, Itanic is dying, but I think IBM is likely to hold
on the their Power thing for a while, with the Power5+ out and the
Power6 in the pipeline.
And the G5 is only based on the simple Power5 without +, so who knows
what they're up to.
The CPU world will probably burn down to x86-64, ARM and PPC. If Sun
makes the right choices and prices, add Niagara to that.
The question for Mac-lispers is: will the x86 lisps offer meaningful Mac
support, or will OpenMCL maybe migrate to Intel? I assume Lispworks
will, as they already have both Intel and Mac support going.
--
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
From: Peter Seibel
Subject: Re: Running Symbolics XL1201 Lisp Machine without remote login enabled....
Date:
Message-ID: <m2acgr2duf.fsf@gigamonkeys.com>
Ulrich Hobelmann <···········@web.de> writes:
> The question for Mac-lispers is: will the x86 lisps offer meaningful
> Mac support, or will OpenMCL maybe migrate to Intel? I assume
> Lispworks will, as they already have both Intel and Mac support
> going.
My impression (from occasionally popping in on the OpenMCL mailing
list) is that Gary Byers is pretty well committed to porting OpenMCL
to Intel.
-Peter
--
Peter Seibel * ·····@gigamonkeys.com
Gigamonkeys Consulting * http://www.gigamonkeys.com/
Practical Common Lisp * http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/
From: Thomas Schilling
Subject: Re: Running Symbolics XL1201 Lisp Machine without remote login enabled....
Date:
Message-ID: <3si20tFo4jg5U1@news.dfncis.de>
Edi Weitz wrote:
>>Now that both PCs and the Mac are going to ultimately be using the
>>same AMD64 architecture, has anyone heard if Symbolics is planning
>>on doing OpenGenera for AMD64?
>
> There seems to be an effort to port it to PowerPC. Looks like they
> didn't ask Steve Jobs about his future plans before they started... :)
>
> <http://lispm.dyndns.org/news?ID=NEWS-2003-10-18-1>
> <http://lispm.dyndns.org/news?ID=NEWS-2005-09-09-1>
But, hey, it'll run on the next Xbox, Play Station and Gamehypercube (or
whatever this Nintendo thingy's going to be called) ...
*That*'s what I'd call "Lisp in a box"!!
In article <··············@news.dfncis.de>,
Thomas Schilling <······@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Edi Weitz wrote:
> >>Now that both PCs and the Mac are going to ultimately be using the
> >>same AMD64 architecture, has anyone heard if Symbolics is planning
> >>on doing OpenGenera for AMD64?
> >
> > There seems to be an effort to port it to PowerPC. Looks like they
> > didn't ask Steve Jobs about his future plans before they started... :)
> >
> > <http://lispm.dyndns.org/news?ID=NEWS-2003-10-18-1>
> > <http://lispm.dyndns.org/news?ID=NEWS-2005-09-09-1>
>
> But, hey, it'll run on the next Xbox, Play Station and Gamehypercube (or
> whatever this Nintendo thingy's going to be called) ...
Nintendo Revolution.
> *That*'s what I'd call "Lisp in a box"!!
Don't forget the BladeCenter JS20 from IBM.
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/bladecenter/js20/more_info.html
Though the newly announced Apple PowerMac with the Dual-Core PowerPC 970MP
should be a nice system for that purpose.
Especially with the enlarged cache.