From: Raffael Cavallaro
Subject: Kenny and Cells/Cello fans - might want to see this
Date: 
Message-ID: <raffaelcavallaro-102C38.17501804032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>
Kenny,
Just saw a posting on the Lambda the Ultimate blog describing a set of 
component libraries released by Adobe called Adam and Eve that purport 
to do some of the same sort of things that Cells/Cello does. Here's the 
link:

<http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/view/563>

Note that at least one guy at Adobe thinks that the problems that 
Cells/Cello and Adam/Eve are trying to solve account for a third of 
Adobe's code base, and half of bugs during development.

regards,

Ralph

From: Kenny Tilton
Subject: Re: Kenny and Cells/Cello fans - might want to see this
Date: 
Message-ID: <_S5Wd.20922$534.20548@twister.nyc.rr.com>
Raffael Cavallaro wrote:
> Kenny,
> Just saw a posting on the Lambda the Ultimate blog describing a set of 
> component libraries released by Adobe called Adam and Eve that purport 
> to do some of the same sort of things that Cells/Cello does. Here's the 
> link:
> 
> <http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/view/563>
> 
> Note that at least one guy at Adobe thinks that the problems that 
> Cells/Cello and Adam/Eve are trying to solve account for a third of 
> Adobe's code base, and half of bugs during development.

Oh, great, I cannot wait. I have often wondered what fraction of bugs 
can be traced to faulty data change propagation throughout the 
application model. I despaired of ever calculating how much effort goes 
into what I call the hand-animation of our application models, the very 
coding effort to propagate data.

thx, kt

-- 
Cells? Cello? Cells-Gtk?: http://www.common-lisp.net/project/cells/
Why Lisp? http://lisp.tech.coop/RtL%20Highlight%20Film

"Doctor, I wrestled with reality for forty years, and I am happy to 
state that I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
From: Kenny Tilton
Subject: Re: Kenny and Cells/Cello fans - might want to see this
Date: 
Message-ID: <CT6Wd.21039$534.7730@twister.nyc.rr.com>
Kenny Tilton wrote:
> 
> 
> Raffael Cavallaro wrote:
> 
>> Kenny,
>> Just saw a posting on the Lambda the Ultimate blog describing a set of 
>> component libraries released by Adobe called Adam and Eve that purport 
>> to do some of the same sort of things that Cells/Cello does. Here's 
>> the link:
>>
>> <http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/view/563>
>>
>> Note that at least one guy at Adobe thinks that the problems that 
>> Cells/Cello and Adam/Eve are trying to solve account for a third of 
>> Adobe's code base, and half of bugs during development.
> 
> 
> Oh, great, I cannot wait. I have often wondered what fraction of bugs 
> can be traced to faulty data change propagation throughout the 
> application model. I despaired of ever calculating how much effort goes 
> into what I call the hand-animation of our application models, the very 
> coding effort to propagate data.

OK, on second thought, I have to flame you for the Subject. Kenny and 
Cells fans already know all that. It is the rest of you yobbos who need 
to go read it. <G>

kt

-- 
Cells? Cello? Cells-Gtk?: http://www.common-lisp.net/project/cells/
Why Lisp? http://lisp.tech.coop/RtL%20Highlight%20Film

"Doctor, I wrestled with reality for forty years, and I am happy to 
state that I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
From: Raffael Cavallaro
Subject: Re: Kenny and Cells/Cello fans - might want to see this
Date: 
Message-ID: <raffaelcavallaro-4C5D1A.00351405032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>
In article <····················@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
 Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> OK, on second thought, I have to flame you for the Subject.

When Demon Kenny enters, can flames be far behind? ;^)