I am browsing through this list -
http://www.cliki.net/Graphics%20Toolkit - and haven't found anything
suitable yet, although I don't claim I've installed and tried all of
them (it tends to be time consuming, that's why I am asking here). I
have just two requirements:
1. It must not be a binding - I'd like to see a toolkit written in CL on
top of CLX.
2. It must not be an overly-complicated monstrosity that operates on the
highest levels of abstraction but with absolutely inadequate UI. What I
need is a set of quality widgets, with more or less modern look-and-feel
(like Windows or Apple) and reasonable peformance and resource utilization.
vch <····@not.real> wrote:
> 2. It must not be an overly-complicated monstrosity that operates on
> the highest levels of abstraction but with absolutely inadequate
> UI. What I need is a set of quality widgets, with more or less
> modern look-and-feel (like Windows or Apple) and reasonable
> peformance and resource utilization.
Garnet probably fits the bill. It has two widget sets: one with an
older look and one with a "motif-like" look. It uses CLX as the
underlying interface to X. It's also portable. The other day I
compiled it for Allegro Common Lisp, and I've also built it under
CLISP. It also has a Mac interface but I don't know how well that
works in this day and age.
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From: Robert Uhl
Subject: Re: Is there any graphics toolkits written in CL?
Date:
Message-ID: <m31x6z588g.fsf@4dv.net>
Fred Gilham <······@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> writes:
>
> Garnet probably fits the bill. It has two widget sets: one with an
> older look and one with a "motif-like" look.
If Motif is the 'new' look, then the OP's request for a modern widget
set might not be fulfilled...
--
Robert Uhl <http://public.xdi.org/=ruhl>
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Americans. One should not be held responsible for what is essentially an
accident of birth. --Harald Horgen
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:35:43 -0600, <·········@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> Fred Gilham <······@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> writes:
>>
>> Garnet probably fits the bill. It has two widget sets: one with an
>> older look and one with a "motif-like" look.
>
> If Motif is the 'new' look, then the OP's request for a modern widget
> set might not be fulfilled...
Name a "new" widget.
Motif looks to be as dead as Lisp.
http://www.motifzone.com and about 176,000 other google hits.
When people are very concerned about "looks", it usually means that
the stuff "inside" is crap. Visicalc was ugly.
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Don't push the yellow one on the bottom.
From: Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
Subject: Re: Is there any graphics toolkits written in CL?
Date:
Message-ID: <87ll56bnlg.fsf@qrnik.zagroda>
GP lisper <········@CloudDancer.com> writes:
>>> Garnet probably fits the bill. It has two widget sets: one with an
>>> older look and one with a "motif-like" look.
>>
>> If Motif is the 'new' look, then the OP's request for a modern widget
>> set might not be fulfilled...
>
> Name a "new" widget.
A text entry which allows arbitrary Unicode text, with Hebrew and
Arabic fragments properly written right-to-left, and with proper
forming of mandatory ligatures for indic scripts.
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\__/ ······@knm.org.pl
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:19:39 +0200, <······@knm.org.pl> wrote:
> GP lisper <········@CloudDancer.com> writes:
>>
>> Name a "new" widget.
>
> A text entry which allows arbitrary Unicode text, with Hebrew and
> Arabic fragments properly written right-to-left, and with proper
> forming of mandatory ligatures for indic scripts.
Sounds sweet, which new widget kit has that?
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The LOOP construct is really neat, it's got a lot of knobs to turn!
Don't push the yellow one on the bottom.
From: Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
Subject: Re: Is there any graphics toolkits written in CL?
Date:
Message-ID: <87ekaypjb9.fsf@qrnik.zagroda>
GP lisper <········@CloudDancer.com> writes:
>>> Name a "new" widget.
>>
>> A text entry which allows arbitrary Unicode text, with Hebrew and
>> Arabic fragments properly written right-to-left, and with proper
>> forming of mandatory ligatures for indic scripts.
>
> Sounds sweet, which new widget kit has that?
Gtk+, and I'm not sure about Qt.
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\__/ ······@knm.org.pl
^^ http://qrnik.knm.org.pl/~qrczak/
From: Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
Subject: Re: Is there any graphics toolkits written in CL?
Date:
Message-ID: <87zmtmxx00.fsf@qrnik.zagroda>
GP lisper <········@CloudDancer.com> writes:
>>> Name a "new" widget.
>>
>> A text entry which allows arbitrary Unicode text, with Hebrew and
>> Arabic fragments properly written right-to-left, and with proper
>> forming of mandatory ligatures for indic scripts.
>
> Sounds sweet, which new widget kit has that?
At least Gtk+ and Qt.
http://eyegene.ophthy.med.umich.edu/iuc27/html/img22.html
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Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk <······@knm.org.pl> writes:
>A text entry which allows arbitrary Unicode text, with Hebrew and
>Arabic fragments properly written right-to-left, and with proper
>forming of mandatory ligatures for indic scripts.
Or.. a combobox, or a list widget that can store both text and images,
or buttons that can have both text and images, or a tree widget, or a
toolbar widget, or a bubble help widget, or ... Of course, some of
these are available for Motif aswell (usually in commercial widget
sets for $$$$). And then there's the usability issue, no vector
Type1/postscript fonts, no mouse wheel, no accessibility support (for
disabled people).
mkb.
From: Wade Humeniuk
Subject: Re: Is there any graphics toolkits written in CL?
Date:
Message-ID: <o2Vse.50844$wr.42880@clgrps12>
vch wrote:
> I am browsing through this list -
> http://www.cliki.net/Graphics%20Toolkit - and haven't found anything
> suitable yet, although I don't claim I've installed and tried all of
> them (it tends to be time consuming, that's why I am asking here). I
> have just two requirements:
>
> 1. It must not be a binding - I'd like to see a toolkit written in CL on
> top of CLX.
> 2. It must not be an overly-complicated monstrosity that operates on the
> highest levels of abstraction but with absolutely inadequate UI. What I
> need is a set of quality widgets, with more or less modern look-and-feel
> (like Windows or Apple) and reasonable peformance and resource utilization.
>
There is CLM (Common Lisp Motif). If you have CMUCL it is in the extra tarball.
http://www.cliki.net/CLM
Wade