From: Peter Seibel
Subject: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <m3is4t71yg.fsf@javamonkey.com>
So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
something.
Currently the taglines are:
Put Common Lisp to work.
Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
exercises or trivial editor customizations.
The first one is fine but I think the second one pretty much blows in
almost every way. But I can't think of a good replacement. If you have
any suggestions please send them my way. Even ones you think are lame
are welcome--maybe something you think is lame will spark another idea
in me or someone else. I'll post candidates at:
<http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/taglines.html>
so if you want to see if someone has provided a seed that you can turn
into a full idea, check there. Thanks.
-Peter
P.S. If you don't know what book I'm talking about and what to join
the fun, check out:
<http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/>
--
Peter Seibel ·····@javamonkey.com
Lisp is the red pill. -- John Fraser, comp.lang.lisp
From: alex goldman
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <2951727.xeT4FgGGB2@yahoo.com>
Common Lisp - so easy to learn, newcomers can start writing books /about/ it
within months.
(Sorry, I know this is nasty, but I can't help myself. I'm so very sorry!)
I also have another idea for a Lisp book. It's similar to chain letters.
"Learn to write books about Common Lisp". Would anyone publish it? Lisp
books need to be introspective, like Lisp itself.
From: Peter Seibel
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <m3650t6r91.fsf@javamonkey.com>
alex goldman <·····@spamm.er> writes:
> Common Lisp - so easy to learn, newcomers can start writing books /about/ it
> within months.
Uh, I think I won't put that on my web page. Thanks though.
-Peter
--
Peter Seibel ·····@javamonkey.com
Lisp is the red pill. -- John Fraser, comp.lang.lisp
Peter Seibel wrote:
> <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/taglines.html>
>
> so if you want to see if someone has provided a seed that you can
> turn into a full idea, check there. Thanks.
The pragmatic depth of a powerful language.
The most practical way to misuse a computer.
Vast amounts of relevantness to today's "hip" generation.
Those aren't wrinkles, those are parentheses.
Higher sexp quotient than competing languages.
Taglines somehow degenerate quickly.
MfG,
Tayssir
Tayssir John Gabbour wrote:
> Peter Seibel wrote:
> > <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/taglines.html>
> >
> > so if you want to see if someone has provided a seed that you can
> > turn into a full idea, check there. Thanks.
Channel the ancient power of Lisp through entertaining modern examples.
MfG,
Tayssir
On 15 Feb 2005 22:07:12 -0800, <···········@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tayssir John Gabbour wrote:
>> Peter Seibel wrote:
>> > <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/taglines.html>
>> >
>> > so if you want to see if someone has provided a seed that you can
>> > turn into a full idea, check there. Thanks.
>
> Channel the ancient power of Lisp through entertaining modern examples.
>
Sleep 23 hours and still deliver the next day.
--
Everyman has three hearts;
one to show the world, one to show friends, and one only he knows.
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:02:49 GMT, Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com>
wrote:
>So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
>the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
>sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
>something.
>
>Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
>
> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
>
>The first one is fine but I think the second one pretty much blows in
>almost every way.
Agreed++
(-:
> But I can't think of a good replacement. If you have
>any suggestions please send them my way. Even ones you think are lame
>are welcome--maybe something you think is lame will spark another idea
>in me or someone else. I'll post candidates at:
>
> <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/taglines.html>
>
Learn a language of the Ancient Ones that will allow you to create
spells, er, programs, that no other computer language can express.
JP Massar wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:02:49 GMT, Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
>>the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
>>sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
>>something.
>>
>>Currently the taglines are:
>>
>> Put Common Lisp to work.
>>
>> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
>> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
>>
>>The first one is fine but I think the second one pretty much blows in
>>almost every way.
Which gives us:
Practical Lisp
Learn Lisp - and learn why other languages blow
In article <··············@javamonkey.com>,
Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com> wrote:
> If you have
> any suggestions please send them my way. Even ones you think are lame
> are welcome--maybe something you think is lame will spark another idea
> in me or someone else.
---------------------------
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---------------------------
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Peter Seibel wrote:
>
> Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
>
> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
>
It should probably involve something with the "resistance is futile"
theme. :)
From: Razvan Mihai
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <37gvipF5emgd0U1@individual.net>
David Sletten wrote:
> Peter Seibel wrote:
>
>>
>> Currently the taglines are:
>>
>> Put Common Lisp to work.
>>
>> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
>> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
>>
>
> It should probably involve something with the "resistance is futile"
> theme. :)
I think it should address many programmers frustration with other languages:
"Fed up with Java and C++ ? Relax with Lisp."
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:02:49 +0000, Peter Seibel wrote:
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
> sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> something.
>
> Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
>
> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
How about something a bit more controversial, to make people pick up the
book even if it is just because they think it's wrong?
"Learn to use Lisp; the Granddaddy of all modern dynamic languages, and
still the best; the language that will make you wish other, lesser
languages, had its features; the language that manages to be both
beautiful and PRACTICAL at the same time. Learn Practical Common Lisp."
Dunno, maybe it still sucks, but it does at least have a bit more impact
than the original...
Cheers,
Bill.
From: Martin DeMello
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <SOAQd.403744$8l.379406@pd7tw1no>
Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com> wrote:
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
> sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> something.
>
> Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
>
> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
Apply the power of lisp to make common tasks easy and hard ones
possible.
(cliched, but it's still a nice line)
martin
---
Use current-day examples to harness one of the most enduring and
powerfully expressive programming languages in history.
---
'examples' could be swapped out for another word... problems???
And I'm guessing the free copy for the winner is just common sense ;)
BA
Peter Seibel wrote:
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
> sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> something.
>
> Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
>
> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
>
> The first one is fine but I think the second one pretty much blows in
> almost every way. But I can't think of a good replacement. If you have
> any suggestions please send them my way. Even ones you think are lame
> are welcome--maybe something you think is lame will spark another idea
> in me or someone else. I'll post candidates at:
>
> <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/taglines.html>
>
> so if you want to see if someone has provided a seed that you can turn
> into a full idea, check there. Thanks.
>
> -Peter
>
> P.S. If you don't know what book I'm talking about and what to join
> the fun, check out:
>
> <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/>
>
From: Randall Randall
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <4213ff37$1_3@alt.athenanews.com>
Brad Anderson wrote:
> ---
> Use current-day examples to harness one of the most enduring and
> powerfully expressive programming languages in history.
> ---
>
> 'examples' could be swapped out for another word... problems???
The word you're looking for might be "solutions". High buzzword
potential. :)
"With modern solutions to modern problems, harness one of the most
enduring and powerfully expressive programming languages, ever!"
--
Randall Randall <·······@randallsquared.com>
"Are you hungry? I haven't eaten since later this
afternoon." -- Aaron, _Primer_
Randall Randall wrote:
> Brad Anderson wrote:
>
>> ---
>> Use current-day examples to harness one of the most enduring and
>> powerfully expressive programming languages in history.
>> ---
>>
>> 'examples' could be swapped out for another word... problems???
>
>
> The word you're looking for might be "solutions". High buzzword
> potential. :)
>
> "With modern solutions to modern problems, harness one of the most
> enduring and powerfully expressive programming languages, ever!"
>
> --
> Randall Randall <·······@randallsquared.com>
> "Are you hungry? I haven't eaten since later this
> afternoon." -- Aaron, _Primer_
That pretty much rocks, gentlemen!
I think we're dangerously close to having a winner here.
David Sletten
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:19:23 -0500, Randall Randall wrote:
> Brad Anderson wrote:
>> ---
>> Use current-day examples to harness one of the most enduring and
>> powerfully expressive programming languages in history.
>> ---
>>
>> 'examples' could be swapped out for another word... problems???
>
> The word you're looking for might be "solutions". High buzzword
> potential. :)
>
> "With modern solutions to modern problems, harness one of the most
> enduring and powerfully expressive programming languages, ever!"
Let's stop equivocating!
"With modern solutions to modern problems, harness the
global optimum of programming languages."
Regards,
Adam
From: Randall Randall
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <42158369$1_5@alt.athenanews.com>
Adam Warner wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:19:23 -0500, Randall Randall wrote:
>
>
>>Brad Anderson wrote:
>>
>>>---
>>>Use current-day examples to harness one of the most enduring and
>>>powerfully expressive programming languages in history.
>>>---
>>>
>>>'examples' could be swapped out for another word... problems???
>>
>>The word you're looking for might be "solutions". High buzzword
>>potential. :)
>>
>>"With modern solutions to modern problems, harness one of the most
>>enduring and powerfully expressive programming languages, ever!"
>
>
> Let's stop equivocating!
>
> "With modern solutions to modern problems, harness the
> global optimum of programming languages."
Not having a counterexample to that assertion, I await your
more detailed proof. :)
No, really. I'm interested in hearing a proof, if you think
one is possible.
--
Randall Randall <·······@randallsquared.com>
From: Svein Ove Aas
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <cv4ehb$rfj$1@services.kq.no>
Randall Randall wrote:
> Adam Warner wrote:
>> Let's stop equivocating!
>>
>> "With modern solutions to modern problems, harness the
>> global optimum of programming languages."
>
> Not having a counterexample to that assertion, I await your
> more detailed proof. :)
>
> No, really. I'm interested in hearing a proof, if you think
> one is possible.
>
No such optimum seems to exist; considering continuations. That said, I'd be
very interested in seeing the proof as well. ;)
Well, before you can find the optimum, you need to figure out a function
mapping from programming languages to optimality; since some features
simply aren't compatible with each other, part of that function must be
subjective.
From: Randall Randall
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <4216932a$1_4@alt.athenanews.com>
Svein Ove Aas wrote:
> Randall Randall wrote:
>>Adam Warner wrote:
>>> "With modern solutions to modern problems, harness the
>>> global optimum of programming languages."
>>
>>Not having a counterexample to that assertion, I await your
>>more detailed proof. :)
>>
>>No, really. I'm interested in hearing a proof, if you think
>>one is possible.
>
> No such optimum seems to exist; considering continuations. That said, I'd be
> very interested in seeing the proof as well. ;)
>
> Well, before you can find the optimum, you need to figure out a function
> mapping from programming languages to optimality; since some features
> simply aren't compatible with each other, part of that function must be
> subjective.
Well, if one is supposing a function mapping languages to
optimality, one might suppose that this is implemented by
mapping features or possibilities to optimality, which
would solve this problem by telling us whether it was more
important to have continuations or unwind protection. :)
Alternatively, it might be that the ability to implement
two incompatible features with about the same complexity
makes such a conflict a wash when comparing two specific
languages.
--
Randall Randall <·······@randallsquared.com>
From: Wade Humeniuk
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <5xBQd.45029$K54.20143@edtnps84>
Peter Seibel wrote:
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
> sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> something.
>
> Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
>
> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
>
From Intention, to Thought, to Code. How to bridge the gap to
practical application using Lisp.
Wade
From: Martin DeMello
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <r0XQd.412761$6l.241441@pd7tw2no>
Wade Humeniuk <··················@telus.net> wrote:
>
> From Intention, to Thought, to Code. How to bridge the gap to
> practical application using Lisp.
I love the first bit, but the second seems a bit weak. Perhaps
From Intention, to Thought to Code. Harnessing the power of common lisp
for practical application development.
martin
From: Wade Humeniuk
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <ydoRd.977$Fu.345@edtnps89>
Martin DeMello wrote:
>
> I love the first bit, but the second seems a bit weak. Perhaps
>
Yes it feels like it needs a more active voice.
From Intention, to Thought, to Code. Bridge the gap to
Practical Application using Lisp.
> From Intention, to Thought to Code. Harnessing the power of common lisp
> for practical application development.
>
I like to remove words, also I do not like words like "power",
I suppose I like the undersell approach and dislike marketing
claims/hype. So I would change the above to:
From Intention, to Thought, to Code. Harness Common Lisp for
Practical Application.
or a more clinical version:
From Intention, to Thought, to Code. What you need to know of
Common Lisp Programming for Practical Application.
The word power has come up quite a bit in the suggestions. What
have people been meaning by that? Power as in wild and untamed? (Harness)
Difficult to control? Esoteric (ancient)? Dangerous? As someone who
uses Lisp I think I understand what the suggestions mean, but
how would that be viewed by those who do not know Lisp, or
have misinformed views on it, or are just plain lost?
Wade
Wade Humeniuk <··················@telus.net> writes:
> Yes it feels like it needs a more active voice.
From intention, to thought, to code: create and solve with power and
simplicity.
From intention, to thought, to code: create and solve with the power
and simplicity of Lisp.
--
Steven E. Harris
Steven E. Harris wrote:
> Wade Humeniuk <··················@telus.net> writes:
>
>
>>Yes it feels like it needs a more active voice.
>
>
> From intention, to thought, to code: create and solve with power and
> simplicity.
>
> From intention, to thought, to code: create and solve with the power
> and simplicity of Lisp.
I cannot confirm the citation, but I believe it was E B White who first
bemoaned sentences marred by chicken scratches (commas). The rule is to
read the thing aloud and see how it sounds. In this case, the intent is
to convey seamless transition, so the chicken scratch breaks are exactly
the wrong thing.
Besides, intention to thought adds a gratuitous distinction and makes
the whole process seem complex, when again we hope to convey simplicity.
Finally, the title is "Practical Common Lisp". This tagline sounds like
love of a language instead of getting work done.
My2.
kt
--
Cells? Cello? Cells-Gtk?: http://www.common-lisp.net/project/cells/
Why Lisp? http://lisp.tech.coop/RtL%20Highlight%20Film
"Doctor, I wrestled with reality for forty years, and I am happy to
state that I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
From: Martin DeMello
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <7qORd.436164$Xk.287076@pd7tw3no>
Wade Humeniuk <··················@telus.net> wrote:
>
> The word power has come up quite a bit in the suggestions. What
> have people been meaning by that? Power as in wild and untamed? (Harness)
Yes, that one comes close. cf Neal Stephenson's comparison of a hand
drill and a Real Drill in his "In the Beginning Was the Command Line".
This perception of power is actually one of the things that drew me from
Scheme to Common Lisp. But if that's too ambiguous, how about:
From Intention, to Thought, to Code - Putting Common Lisp to Work in
the Real World.
(don't want to say 'practical' again, since it's in the title).
martin
Wade Humeniuk <··················@telus.net> wrote:
+---------------
| Yes it feels like it needs a more active voice.
|
| From Intention, to Thought, to Code. Bridge the gap to
| Practical Application using Lisp.
+---------------
First, we need to lose the commas. But more importantly, as much
as we all love it, "code" is *not* what the manager or the customer
or the user wants -- it's *solutions*! ...except that "solution"
has been usurped by the marketeers. (*sigh*) How about this:
From Intention to Thought to Code to another Really Hard Problem
solved -- *quickly*, through the interactive power of Common Lisp.
And if you need a longer one, append the following the the above
[or use it separately elsewhere]:
Let Peter Seibel guide your journey of discovery into one of the
best-kept secrets in modern programming.
[The "your" here makes the reader an active participant in the
"discovery" of the "secret". Everybody likes to think of themselves
as one of the few special insiders, yes?]
-Rob
-----
Rob Warnock <····@rpw3.org>
627 26th Avenue <URL:http://rpw3.org/>
San Mateo, CA 94403 (650)572-2607
Wade Humeniuk wrote:
> Peter Seibel wrote:
> > So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> > the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a
longer
> > sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> > something.
> >
> > Currently the taglines are:
> >
> > Put Common Lisp to work.
> >
> > Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> > exercises or trivial editor customizations.
> >
>
> From Intention, to Thought, to Code. How to bridge the gap to
> practical application using Lisp.
Just as a slogan, I kind of like
"Lisp, the shortest path from Concept to Program."
for the first part. On a similar theme, what about
"Learn how to change the world, one SEXP at a time."?
> Wade
Ben
"Common Lisp is highly efficient and mysterious language. Learn how
expert developers use it to gain advantage."
From: Will Hartung
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <37hn4tF5d6gboU1@individual.net>
"Peter Seibel" <·····@javamonkey.com> wrote in message
···················@javamonkey.com...
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
> sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> something.
>
> Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
>
> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
"Learn Lisp by seeing what happens when it is shoved out of its Ivory Tower
and hits the trenches of the real world."
"Hit the ground running by learning to leverage Common Lisp for real world
applications."
"Turbo charge your real world projects by learning the power and flexibility
of Common Lisp."
"Embrace the power of the parentheses by learning Common Lisp to accelerate
your real world projects."
(embrace...parentheses..get it? It's Clever(tm))
"Learn Common Lisp for common projects, and get uncommon producitivity and
results."
"Learn to make Common Lisp work harder for you with todays applications, so
you don't have to."
or better "Learn how Common Lisp works harder to make writing todays
applications easier."
Regards,
Will Hartung
(·····@msoft.com)
Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com> writes:
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
I know you already have this, but here is another one just for fun:
Lisp is back
Paolo
--
Lisp Propulsion Laboratory log - http://www.paoloamoroso.it/log
Recommended Common Lisp libraries/tools (see also http://clrfi.alu.org):
- ASDF/ASDF-INSTALL: system building/installation
- CL-PPCRE: regular expressions
- UFFI: Foreign Function Interface
Paolo Amoroso <·······@mclink.it> writes:
> Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com> writes:
>
>> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
>> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
>
> I know you already have this, but here is another one just for fun:
>
> Lisp is back
Since something like a voting seems to have erupted (I hope Peter
doesn't feel to obliged to accept the result of the voting ;), here we
go.
I think this one is the best so far.
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
> sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> something.
>
> Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
Ugh. Should be "Putting", at least. And they just read the title
"Practical Common Lisp", so repeating "Common Lisp" is a waste of
bandwidth. "..to work" is so exciting. Not. Though I get the idea, it
echos "practical". Lessee...
"Real-world programming with the oldest new language around."
"A comprehensive introduction to Common Lisp: an in-depth reference
along with complete tutorial projects in blah, blah, and more."
Or just data mine the RtL.
I would eschew some of the rah-rah I have seen suggested, since the
target audience is folks interested in getting work done, not achieving
HLL Big Mind.
kt
"Peter Seibel" <·····@javamonkey.com> wrote in message
···················@javamonkey.com...
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
> sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> something.
>
> Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
>
> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
>
Learn how to write elegant solutions to practical problems using Lisp's rich
palette of modern and mature features.
Use Lisp to bring elegance, maturity and the wisdom of decades to bear on
practical and contemporary applications.
Learn how to write practical and contemporary code with Lisp's elegant and
mature features.
Free yourself from the artificial constraints of other modern languages.
Let Lisp "uncramp" your syle as we learn practical and contemporary
applications.
--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ big pond . com")
From: Mike Ajemian
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <9sVQd.37125$W16.11852@trndny07>
"Peter Seibel" <·····@javamonkey.com> wrote in message
···················@javamonkey.com...
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
> sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> something.
>
> Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
>
> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
>
Learn to write industrial-strength software in less space, less time, and at
lower cost.
Learn to write software at the speed of thought. (speed of thought...sounds
strangely familiar?)
It's about practical, non-trivial, complete examples of Lisp in action.
Thus I submit:
"Lisp for the Real World."
--
-trent
We aim to please. Ourselves, mostly, but we do aim to please. -- AdB
From: Karl A. Krueger
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <cv3cqq$s9$1@baldur.whoi.edu>
Trent Buck <·········@tznvy.pbz> wrote:
> It's about practical, non-trivial, complete examples of Lisp in action.
> Thus I submit:
>
> "Lisp for the Real World."
"It's not just for CS profs any more."
"Faster than Perl and twice as readable."
"Never mind the bollocks -- here's the sexp's tools."
--
Karl A. Krueger <········@example.edu> { s/example/whoi/ }
If lots of people are doing something, and it isn't working for them,
don't expect that you're special and that it will work for you.
Karl A. Krueger wrote:
> Trent Buck <·········@tznvy.pbz> wrote:
>
>>It's about practical, non-trivial, complete examples of Lisp in action.
>>Thus I submit:
>>
>> "Lisp for the Real World."
>
>
> "It's not just for CS profs any more."
>
> "Faster than Perl and twice as readable."
>
> "Never mind the bollocks -- here's the sexp's tools."
that last one gets my vote :)
--
Drew Crampsie
drewc at tech dot coop
--- Lambda, the Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name? ---
From: Morten N. Åsnes
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <727ee2-mc9.ln1@ress8645.imr.no>
On 2005-02-16, Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com> wrote:
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
> sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> something.
>
> Currently the taglines are:
>
> Put Common Lisp to work.
>
> Learn to use Lisp to write software that goes far beyond academic
> exercises or trivial editor customizations.
Lisp, but how to use it?
Do you lisp?
Life, The Universe, and Common Lisp.
Real work with Common Lisp.
Common Lisp in the real world.
Real programmers use Common Lisp.
Programming was never this much fun before.
Learn rapid aplication development with one of the most powerfull
programming languages ever invented.
Learn how to write great software with Common Lisp.
--
Morten N. �snes
Peter Seibel wrote:
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. ... blows ... If you have any suggestions please send them
> my way.
Treat yourself to a language solid enough for "five nines" work, with
the flexibility for exploratory programming.
I don't know about "solid", but can't think of anything better right
now. I'm ambivalent about the comma too, but replacing it with "yet" is
a bit too marketing-droid for me. Does everyone know what exploratory
programming is, or would "experimental" be more widely understood?
"Rapid prototyping"?
Aargh...can...feel...language...skills...atrophying...just...from...
thinking...like...this.
Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com> writes:
> So it turns out Apress book covers have two taglines in addition to
> the title. The first one is a short phrase and the second is a longer
> sentence that's supposed to summarize what the book is about or
> something.
"I turned myself from a 97 IQ VBidiot into the World's Most Perfectly
Developed Programmer. The C boys just nod and back away. The Java
bullies whimper and run. The Perl monks are licking my boots. And
Practical Common Lisp can change your life too."
-Mike
--
Michael J. Forster <····@sharedlogic.ca>
From: Wade Humeniuk
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <kr9Rd.73739$L_3.51427@clgrps13>
Michael J. Forster wrote:
>
>
> "I turned myself from a 97 IQ VBidiot into the World's Most Perfectly
> Developed Programmer. The C boys just nod and back away. The Java
> bullies whimper and run. The Perl monks are licking my boots. And
> Practical Common Lisp can change your life too."
>
> -Mike
That's very funny. Also along the same line.
"Don't be a Girlie Programmer. Push some Common Lisp Iron and
stay away from those Girlie Programming (Exercise) Machines. I told
you 'I'll be Back'"
Wade
Wade Humeniuk <··················@telus.net> writes:
[...]
> That's very funny. Also along the same line.
>
> "Don't be a Girlie Programmer. Push some Common Lisp Iron and
> stay away from those Girlie Programming (Exercise) Machines. I told
> you 'I'll be Back'"
>
> Wade
:-)
I admit it. Marketing(TM) brings out the goof in me. Heck, I would
buy (pre-order) a second copy of Peter's book if he were to get Apress
to quote Douglas Adams on the cover. Seriously.
However, I recognize that the market-speak is not intended for me. I
was sold by the table of contents *and* the on-line preview. Assuming
that the taglines serve to catch the eye of the Lispless, then Peter's
book brings the following to my mind:
"Lisp can do what Perl, Java, PHP, and C can do. Here's how..."
--
Mike
From: Svein Ove Aas
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <cv4em2$rfj$2@services.kq.no>
Michael J. Forster wrote:
> However, I recognize that the market-speak is not intended for me. I
> was sold by the table of contents *and* the on-line preview. Assuming
> that the taglines serve to catch the eye of the Lispless, then Peter's
> book brings the following to my mind:
>
> "Lisp can do what Perl, Java, PHP, and C can do. Here's how..."
>
Not very persuasive. How about:
"Lisp can do what Perl, Java, PHP and C can do, only better. Here's how..."
Still doesn't smell quite right.
····@sharedlogic.ca (Michael J. Forster) wrote in message news:<··············@hitman.sharedlogic.ca>...
> However, I recognize that the market-speak is not intended for me.
I am really really Not Getting This. The taglines are supposed to
encourage the potential purchaser to fork out for the book. Is the
potential purchaser (a) a marketing-susceptible droid whose cerebral
matter is mostly in use as heat insulation around the edges of the
brainstem, or (b) an intelligent programmer with healthy cynicism and
finely tuned bullshit detector? Why would anyone want to buy and read
a book which starts out by insulting their intelligence with
marketingspeak even before they open it?
I apologise if that sounds a bit like a loaded question. I tried to
present both possibilities as fairly as I could.
-dan
Daniel Barlow wrote:
> I am really really Not Getting This. The taglines are supposed to
> encourage the potential purchaser to fork out for the book. Is the
> potential purchaser (a) a marketing-susceptible droid whose cerebral
> matter is mostly in use as heat insulation around the edges of the
> brainstem, or (b) an intelligent programmer with healthy cynicism and
> finely tuned bullshit detector? Why would anyone want to buy and
read
> a book which starts out by insulting their intelligence with
> marketingspeak even before they open it?
>
> I apologise if that sounds a bit like a loaded question. I tried to
> present both possibilities as fairly as I could.
No need to apologise :-) That's a fair question, especially if you
don't know me.
I expect that my intelligence *is* being insulted by the marketspeak.
I am not a professional marketer, but I have had some as fellow
employees and, now, as customers. More than one has told me that
his/her purpose in life is to dupe me into believing that I need
something that I might not.
So, to answer your question (in the fine tradition of Kirk's Kobayashi
Maru solution) I am (c) somebody who doesn't look at the cover of
books. Really, I don't. I assessed the value of Peter's book for my
purposes by reading it (it's great). I only tossed my beanbag into
Peter's tagline bucket to offer the perspective that the tagline might
not matter to your potential purchaser (b) and that your potential
purchaser (a) might not be worth worrying about.
Regards.
--
Mike
> Daniel Barlow wrote:
>
>>I am really really Not Getting This. The taglines are supposed to
>>encourage the potential purchaser to fork out for the book. Is the
>>potential purchaser (a) a marketing-susceptible droid whose cerebral
>>matter is mostly in use as heat insulation around the edges of the
>>brainstem, or (b) an intelligent programmer with healthy cynicism and
>>finely tuned bullshit detector? Why would anyone want to buy and
>
> read
>
>>a book which starts out by insulting their intelligence with
>>marketingspeak even before they open it?
pwuahhahhahhah... what you do not know, mr. genius cynic, is that you
are as susceptible to marketing as anyone else. your supposed immunity
to it is nothing but a vain conceit, held in vain.
now if only Apress is smart enough to put a swimsuit babe on the cover...
:)
kt
--
Cells? Cello? Cells-Gtk?: http://www.common-lisp.net/project/cells/
Why Lisp? http://lisp.tech.coop/RtL%20Highlight%20Film
"Doctor, I wrestled with reality for forty years, and I am happy to
state that I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
From: Peter Seibel
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <m3oeeaakil.fsf@gigamonkeys.com>
Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> now if only Apress is smart enough to put a swimsuit babe on the
> cover...
How about a dog and a quote from a famous c.l.l demon:
<http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/cover.pdf>
Oh, and as you can see from this cover, we found our taglines. Thanks
to everyone who pitched in.
-Peter
--
Peter Seibel ·····@gigamonkeys.com
Lisp is the red pill. -- John Fraser, comp.lang.lisp
Peter Seibel wrote:
> Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>
>
>>now if only Apress is smart enough to put a swimsuit babe on the
>>cover...
>
>
> How about a dog and a quote from a famous c.l.l demon:
>
> <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/cover.pdf>
Great. First the careerjobs.com Super Bowl exposure, and now this. The
chimps are now completely unmanageable.
We're looking at carrier pigeons going forward....
:(
kt
ps. I think having two silly quotes on the cover will really shake folks
up and make them take a closer look. Good move. :) k
--
Cells? Cello? Cells-Gtk?: http://www.common-lisp.net/project/cells/
Why Lisp? http://lisp.tech.coop/RtL%20Highlight%20Film
"Doctor, I wrestled with reality for forty years, and I am happy to
state that I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
Peter Seibel <·····@gigamonkeys.com> writes:
> How about a dog and a quote from a famous c.l.l demon:
>
> <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/cover.pdf>
Refreshing! Love it. Thank you for not being stuffy.
--
Dave Roberts
dave -remove- AT findinglisp DoT com
http://www.findinglisp.com/
Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<····················@twister.nyc.rr.com>...
> >>I am really really Not Getting This. The taglines are supposed to
> >>encourage the potential purchaser to fork out for the book. Is the
> >>potential purchaser (a) a marketing-susceptible droid whose cerebral
[...]
> pwuahhahhahhah... what you do not know, mr. genius cynic, is that you
> are as susceptible to marketing as anyone else. your supposed immunity
> to it is nothing but a vain conceit, held in vain.
OK, I should have said "marketingspeak-susceptible", but that starts
to get a little unwieldy. I'm sure there are subtler and more
effective ways to persuade people to buy stuff - there must be some
reason I own an mp3 player, and it's certainly not because I ever play
mp3s - but whenever I hear stuff about leaping from ivory towers and
hitting the ground running in real-world trenches, I just think
"sounds like a great way to twist an ankle".
I doubt that this reaction is unique to geniuses: I wouldn't be
suffering it if it were.
-dan
Try not to drool on your keyboard.
Learn to leverage Lisp before your competitors do.
--
An ideal world is left as an excercise to the reader.
--- Paul Graham, On Lisp 8.1
On 17 Feb 2005 17:05:37 -0500, <·····@david-steuber.com> wrote:
> Learn to leverage Lisp before your competitors do.
That one would get me to pick the book up for sure.
--
Everyman has three hearts;
one to show the world, one to show friends, and one only he knows.
Not new suggestion, but for sheer power/punch, I have to re-cite the
sound bite (of Paul Snively) in the RtL Highlights:
"Lisp is the cockroach of programming languages. It'll be the only one
left after the apocalypse."
Maybe not the right image, but ... (1) it seems like the perfect
complement/counterweight to "Lisp is a programmable programming
language"; and (2) cockroaches *are* beautiful and a masterpiece of
evolution, are they not, and will inherit the earth, will they not.
How about an O-Reilly Lisp book ... The Cockroach Book.
·······@yahoo.com writes:
> How about an O-Reilly Lisp book ... The Cockroach Book.
This suggests another tagline :)
The book that will make O'Reilly regret their decision not to
publish Lisp books
Paolo
--
Lisp Propulsion Laboratory log - http://www.paoloamoroso.it/log
Recommended Common Lisp libraries/tools (see also http://clrfi.alu.org):
- ASDF/ASDF-INSTALL: system building/installation
- CL-PPCRE: regular expressions
- UFFI: Foreign Function Interface
Paolo Amoroso wrote:
> ·······@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>>How about an O-Reilly Lisp book ... The Cockroach Book.
>
>
> This suggests another tagline :)
>
> The book that will make O'Reilly regret their decision not to
> publish Lisp books
Or "The book O'Reilly does not want you to read"
kt
From: alex goldman
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <1639599.dHNPHAbnDq@yahoo.com>
Lisp leverages core skillsets and world-class quality through innovation to
provide clients worldwide with robust, scalable, modern turnkey
implementations of flexible, personalized, cutting-edge Internet-enabled
e-business application product suite e-solution architectures that
accelerate response to customer and real-world market demands and reliably
adapt to evolving technology needs, seamlessly and efficiently integrating
and synchronizing with their existing legacy infrastructure, enhancing the
e-readiness capabilities of their e-commerce production environments across
the enterprise while giving them a critical competitive advantage and
taking them to the next level.
From: Peter Seibel
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <m3fyzty5dm.fsf@javamonkey.com>
alex goldman <·····@spamm.er> writes:
> Lisp leverages core skillsets and world-class quality through innovation to
> provide clients worldwide with robust, scalable, modern turnkey
> implementations of flexible, personalized, cutting-edge Internet-enabled
> e-business application product suite e-solution architectures that
> accelerate response to customer and real-world market demands and reliably
> adapt to evolving technology needs, seamlessly and efficiently integrating
> and synchronizing with their existing legacy infrastructure, enhancing the
> e-readiness capabilities of their e-commerce production environments across
> the enterprise while giving them a critical competitive advantage and
> taking them to the next level.
So which web site did you use to generate that?
-Peter
--
Peter Seibel ·····@javamonkey.com
Lisp is the red pill. -- John Fraser, comp.lang.lisp
Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com> writes:
> alex goldman <·····@spamm.er> writes:
>
>> Lisp leverages core skillsets and world-class quality through innovation to
>> provide clients worldwide with robust, scalable, modern turnkey
>> implementations of flexible, personalized, cutting-edge Internet-enabled
>> e-business application product suite e-solution architectures that
>> accelerate response to customer and real-world market demands and reliably
>> adapt to evolving technology needs, seamlessly and efficiently integrating
>> and synchronizing with their existing legacy infrastructure, enhancing the
>> e-readiness capabilities of their e-commerce production environments across
>> the enterprise while giving them a critical competitive advantage and
>> taking them to the next level.
>
> So which web site did you use to generate that?
>
> -Peter
--
Steven E. Harris
Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com> writes:
> So which web site did you use to generate that?
Whichever one did needs to be updated to include some of these recent
favorites:
o in terms of _,
o from a _ perspective,
o the _ space
o around _
o at the end of the day,
--
Steven E. Harris
"Steven E. Harris" <···@panix.com> writes:
> Peter Seibel <·····@javamonkey.com> writes:
>
> > So which web site did you use to generate that?
>
> Whichever one did needs to be updated to include some of these recent
> favorites:
>
> o in terms of _,
> o from a _ perspective,
> o the _ space
> o around _
> o at the end of the day,
>
(with-buzzwords (bw :all)
(format nill "Lisp ~{~A ~}~%" bw))
--
An ideal world is left as an excercise to the reader.
--- Paul Graham, On Lisp 8.1
"Steven E. Harris" <···@panix.com> wrote in message news:<···············@W003275.na.alarismed.com>...
> o in terms of _,
> o from a _ perspective,
> o the _ space
> o around _
> o at the end of the day,
o going forward
-dan
From: Bulent Murtezaoglu
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <87hdkayqm3.fsf@p4.internal>
>>>>> "MDK" == Michael D Kersey <········@hal-pc.org> writes:
[...]
MDK> Common Lisp, the language that frees your intelligence. [...]
now also serves your illegal music.
(Would have worked better with porn).
cheers,
BM
From: Edi Weitz
Subject: Re: Please help me find a tagline that doesn't suck
Date:
Message-ID: <u650q9fz5.fsf@agharta.de>
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:55:32 +0200, Bulent Murtezaoglu <··@acm.org> wrote:
> (Would have worked better with porn).
<http://lemonodor.com/archives/000950.html>
Edi.
--
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Real email: (replace (subseq ·········@agharta.de" 5) "edi")
Lisp - the language you wish you knew
Lisp - still the only language worth knowing
Lisp - it isn't your daddy's Emacs anymore
Lisp - it's still your daddy's Emacs
Lisp - all the power now other language might have later
Lisp - the language to destroy your competition with
Lisp - Parentheses with power
Lisp - ((((((())())(())))())
(with-simple-restart (lisp ··@(~R~) ~{~:(~S~) ~}" (the number 1)
'(language to rule them all))
(locally (declare (optimize enjoyment safety productivity))))
Enjoyment and productivity obviously being implementation-defined
qualities.