From: Time Waster
Subject: Re: LISP is dead now ! ! !
Date: 
Message-ID: <1097052106.3tE3tS8lwWzMFNfq/f16+A@teranews>
On 5 Oct 2004 23:50:26 -0700, <···········@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Buy a good C++ compiler and write programs in a MODERN language,
> forget Lisp, it's dead.

A slow time someplace...

Why should I spend money?  Lots of free compilers around, even for the
successor of B.

From: Svein Ove Aas
Subject: Re: LISP is dead now ! ! !
Date: 
Message-ID: <ck43kd$fu1$2@services.kq.no>
Time Waster wrote:

> On 5 Oct 2004 23:50:26 -0700, <···········@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Buy a good C++ compiler and write programs in a MODERN language,
>> forget Lisp, it's dead.
> 
> A slow time someplace...
> 
> Why should I spend money?  Lots of free compilers around, even for the
> successor of B.

C has plenty of free compilers. Does C++?

IIRC, there are *no* C++ compilers yet; it being a moving target may have
something to do with that. 
From: jblazi
Subject: Re: LISP is dead now ! ! !
Date: 
Message-ID: <pan.2004.10.07.20.00.44.297000@hotmail.com>
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:59:10 +0200, Svein Ove Aas wrote:

> C has plenty of free compilers. Does C++?

Yes, under Windows the Microsoft C++ compiler is free. It is a very good
compiler (generating excellent code).

jb
From: David Steuber
Subject: Re: LISP is dead now ! ! !
Date: 
Message-ID: <87oejd91dc.fsf@david-steuber.com>
jblazi <······@hotmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:59:10 +0200, Svein Ove Aas wrote:
> 
> > C has plenty of free compilers. Does C++?
> 
> Yes, under Windows the Microsoft C++ compiler is free. It is a very good
> compiler (generating excellent code).

This is news to me.  So Windows XP SP2 includes a C++ compiler?  Is
Visual Studio included as well (or whatever the current IDE is)?

I remember having to purchase that separately back in my Windows
daze.  Meanwhile Linux distros include GCC and OS X includes Xcode
(which is an IDE that uses GCC as the compiler).

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From: Frank Buss
Subject: Re: LISP is dead now ! ! !
Date: 
Message-ID: <ck5cob$jch$1@newsreader2.netcologne.de>
David Steuber <·····@david-steuber.com> wrote:

> This is news to me.  So Windows XP SP2 includes a C++ compiler?  Is
> Visual Studio included as well (or whatever the current IDE is)?

Visual Studio is not included, but you can download the command line
tools for free: 

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=4fe5bdb5-c7a7-4505-9927-2213868a325b 

-- 
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From: Julian Stecklina
Subject: Re: LISP is dead now ! ! !
Date: 
Message-ID: <86d5zsrkqp.fsf@goldenaxe.localnet>
Svein Ove Aas <·········@aas.no> writes:

> IIRC, there are *no* C++ compilers yet; it being a moving target may have
> something to do with that. 

Ok, I may have missed something.

GCC?
or even more "free": TenDRA?

Regards,
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From: Christopher Browne
Subject: Re: LISP is dead now ! ! !
Date: 
Message-ID: <2sqh28F1nqh9vU1@uni-berlin.de>
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Julian Stecklina <··········@web.de> wrote:
> Svein Ove Aas <·········@aas.no> writes:
>
>> IIRC, there are *no* C++ compilers yet; it being a moving target may have
>> something to do with that. 
>
> Ok, I may have missed something.
>
> GCC?
> or even more "free": TenDRA?

I'd think the contention is that there are no compilers that actually
compile the C++ language defined by the standards.  

There are numerous compilers for languages _resembling_ C++, but
probably none that actually compile the true language itself...
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From: Edi Weitz
Subject: Re: LISP is dead now ! ! !
Date: 
Message-ID: <uy8ify7cn.fsf@agharta.de>
On 9 Oct 2004 16:14:00 GMT, Christopher Browne <········@acm.org> wrote:

> There are numerous compilers for languages _resembling_ C++, but
> probably none that actually compile the true language itself...

Can't you say the same thing about Common Lisp?

Edi.

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From: Paul F. Dietz
Subject: Re: LISP is dead now ! ! !
Date: 
Message-ID: <uLydnVG4db_QwPXcRVn-uA@dls.net>
Edi Weitz wrote:

>>There are numerous compilers for languages _resembling_ C++, but
>>probably none that actually compile the true language itself...
> 
> 
> Can't you say the same thing about Common Lisp?

(chuckles ominously)

	Paul