From: charlieb
Subject: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <2iavo1Fl2rlnU1@uni-berlin.de>
Hi all,
	I've been working on an idea for a silly arcade game (maybe) in a 
similar vein to LiquidWar only with boids. It's still at a very early 
stage but I find it quite fun to play with despite the complete lack of 
game logic! If anyone's interested mail me at charlieb at (one-word risk 
decisions) dot com and I'll send it to you.

Cheers
charlieb

From: charlieb
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <2ib12uFkvn2pU1@uni-berlin.de>
I thought some further information might be useful. It's a cl-sdl based 
system developed with debian+sbcl but I daresay that it'd work ok on 
cmucl as well (untested).
	At the moment there are boids with as lots of different behaviors 
including the standard three and some others of my own design, walls 
that limit the boids movement and a control boid that you control with 
the arrow keys. You can change the control boid's area of influence with 
w and s and space toggles between attraction and repulsion.

Charlieb.
From: Fred Gilham
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <u7hdtra0c6.fsf@snapdragon.csl.sri.com>
charlieb <··@privacy.net> writes:

> I thought some further information might be useful. It's a cl-sdl based 
> system developed with debian+sbcl but I daresay that it'd work ok on 
> cmucl as well (untested).
> 	At the moment there are boids with as lots of different behaviors 
> including the standard three and some others of my own design, walls 
> that limit the boids movement and a control boid that you control with 
> the arrow keys. You can change the control boid's area of influence with 
> w and s and space toggles between attraction and repulsion.

Sounds like fun.  Why don't you just post a URL or put it on some
source distribution server?


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From: charlieb
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <2ibe47Fl9fksU1@uni-berlin.de>
Fred Gilham wrote:
> charlieb <··@privacy.net> writes:
> 
> 
>>I thought some further information might be useful. It's a cl-sdl based 
>>system developed with debian+sbcl but I daresay that it'd work ok on 
>>cmucl as well (untested).
>>	At the moment there are boids with as lots of different behaviors 
>>including the standard three and some others of my own design, walls 
>>that limit the boids movement and a control boid that you control with 
>>the arrow keys. You can change the control boid's area of influence with 
>>w and s and space toggles between attraction and repulsion.
> 
> 
> Sounds like fun.  Why don't you just post a URL or put it on some
> source distribution server?
> 
> 

It's so imature that it'd be an insult to sf or cl.net imho. I don't 
have any space to call my own.

Charlieb.
From: Luke Gorrie
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <lhr7sv4d74.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
charlieb <··@privacy.net> writes:

> It's so imature that it'd be an insult to sf or cl.net imho. I don't
> have any space to call my own.

If it's a single file (or not many) then perhaps you could post it to
the small-cl-source (sourcecode-only) mailing list. You can access it
via NNTP as group gmane.lisp.sources.code on news.gmane.org.

That list is intended as an outlet for random hacks.

Cheers,
Luke
From: charlieb
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <2ibfi5FlacccU1@uni-berlin.de>
Luke Gorrie wrote:
> charlieb <··@privacy.net> writes:
> 
> 
>>It's so imature that it'd be an insult to sf or cl.net imho. I don't
>>have any space to call my own.
> 
> 
> If it's a single file (or not many) then perhaps you could post it to
> the small-cl-source (sourcecode-only) mailing list. You can access it
> via NNTP as group gmane.lisp.sources.code on news.gmane.org.
> 
> That list is intended as an outlet for random hacks.
> 
> Cheers,
> Luke
> 
Cool, is it OK to post gzipped files?
From: Luke Gorrie
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <lhn03j4c0i.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
charlieb <··@privacy.net> writes:

> Cool, is it OK to post gzipped files?

I think it's optimal to post single-file sources inline (as with
gnu.emacs.sources), but if that's not possible I'd think that gzip'd
tars are okay too. IIRC there is currently a 64KB-limit on posting
size.

There is also a (non-sources) Lisp application discussion mailing list
called 'clump'. It's group gmane.lisp.clump.

You can post to whichever you think is more appropriate. Nobody'll
complain about getting some fun code in the mail :-)

Cheers,
Luke
From: charlieb
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <2ibgljFlacccU2@uni-berlin.de>
Thanks. It's gone to gmane.lisp.clump, it's only 6k so it shouldn't have 
too much of an impact.
Charlieb.


Luke Gorrie wrote:

> charlieb <··@privacy.net> writes:
> 
> 
>>Cool, is it OK to post gzipped files?
> 
> 
> I think it's optimal to post single-file sources inline (as with
> gnu.emacs.sources), but if that's not possible I'd think that gzip'd
> tars are okay too. IIRC there is currently a 64KB-limit on posting
> size.
> 
> There is also a (non-sources) Lisp application discussion mailing list
> called 'clump'. It's group gmane.lisp.clump.
> 
> You can post to whichever you think is more appropriate. Nobody'll
> complain about getting some fun code in the mail :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Luke
> 
From: Ingvar
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <m2fz9btky4.fsf@head.cathouse.bofh.se>
Luke Gorrie <····@bluetail.com> writes:

> charlieb <··@privacy.net> writes:
> 
> > Cool, is it OK to post gzipped files?
> 
> I think it's optimal to post single-file sources inline (as with
> gnu.emacs.sources), but if that's not possible I'd think that gzip'd
> tars are okay too. IIRC there is currently a 64KB-limit on posting
> size.

I'd *muchly* perfer if no compressed files were posted. Really.
Random binaries make me edgy. Very, very edgy.

//Ingvar
-- 
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You can get further with a kind word and a 2x4
than you can with just a kind word.             Among others, Marcus Cole
From: Joe Marshall
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <4qprgvqc.fsf@comcast.net>
Luke Gorrie <····@bluetail.com> writes:

> If it's a single file (or not many) then perhaps you could post it to
> the small-cl-source (sourcecode-only) mailing list. You can access it
> via NNTP as group gmane.lisp.sources.code on news.gmane.org.

Hmm.  I wish I'd discovered this before.


-- 
~jrm
From: Edi Weitz
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <87n03j9uhq.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:59:23 GMT, Joe Marshall <·············@comcast.net> wrote:

> Luke Gorrie <····@bluetail.com> writes:
>
>> If it's a single file (or not many) then perhaps you could post it
>> to the small-cl-source (sourcecode-only) mailing list. You can
>> access it via NNTP as group gmane.lisp.sources.code on
>> news.gmane.org.
>
> Hmm.  I wish I'd discovered this before.

It's only a couple of weeks old.
From: Joe Marshall
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <65a7xfku.fsf@ccs.neu.edu>
Edi Weitz <···@agharta.de> writes:

> On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:59:23 GMT, Joe Marshall <·············@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Luke Gorrie <····@bluetail.com> writes:
>>
>>> If it's a single file (or not many) then perhaps you could post it
>>> to the small-cl-source (sourcecode-only) mailing list. You can
>>> access it via NNTP as group gmane.lisp.sources.code on
>>> news.gmane.org.
>>
>> Hmm.  I wish I'd discovered this before.
>
> It's only a couple of weeks old.

I feel less bad about not discovering it before, but much worse
for not paying attention.
From: Ingvar
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <m2smd7sobi.fsf@head.cathouse.bofh.se>
Joe Marshall <···@ccs.neu.edu> writes:

> Edi Weitz <···@agharta.de> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:59:23 GMT, Joe Marshall <·············@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Luke Gorrie <····@bluetail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> If it's a single file (or not many) then perhaps you could post it
> >>> to the small-cl-source (sourcecode-only) mailing list. You can
> >>> access it via NNTP as group gmane.lisp.sources.code on
> >>> news.gmane.org.
> >>
> >> Hmm.  I wish I'd discovered this before.
> >
> > It's only a couple of weeks old.
> 
> I feel less bad about not discovering it before, but much worse
> for not paying attention.

I don't think it's been widely announced, mainly due to the list-admin
being deliciously busy with Real Life (and quite lazy, to boot).

FWIW, the stated license policy (from July 1st) is "use freely, credit
author; if you want any other license terms, please state so
clearly" and anything before that day is "unless explicitly stated,
ask author". Please try to limit yourselves to a single file, plain-
text.

//Ingvar
-- 
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hard to permeate the network with.
From: Ingvar
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with.
Date: 
Message-ID: <m2brjzthdl.fsf@head.cathouse.bofh.se>
Edi Weitz <···@agharta.de> writes:

> On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:59:23 GMT, Joe Marshall <·············@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Luke Gorrie <····@bluetail.com> writes:
> >
> >> If it's a single file (or not many) then perhaps you could post it
> >> to the small-cl-source (sourcecode-only) mailing list. You can
> >> access it via NNTP as group gmane.lisp.sources.code on
> >> news.gmane.org.
> >
> > Hmm.  I wish I'd discovered this before.
> 
> It's only a couple of weeks old.

Mid-April, I think.

//Ingvar
-- 
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From: charlieb
Subject: Re: Lisp boids to play with -- URL for convenience.
Date: 
Message-ID: <2iladcFog8hnU1@uni-berlin.de>
Hello again,
	I've acquired some webspace so if you want to have a look you can get 
it at http://www.websamba.com/charlieb/cl-sdl-boids.tar.gz

Enjoy!
charlieb