"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:
> New features:
> Images (JPEG for now)
> Tables, at last something for which TeX is quite ugly... ;-)
No kidding.
> Nested Tables (another thing TeX does not do well (if it does it))
Uhm ... do we have to talk about this?!?! It was a traumatic
experience for me. Emacs lisp saved me. I don't want to talk about
it. ;-)
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"Thomas F. Burdick" <···@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote
> "Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:
>
> > New features:
> > Images (JPEG for now)
> > Tables, at last something for which TeX is quite ugly... ;-)
>
> No kidding.
>
> > Nested Tables (another thing TeX does not do well (if it does it))
>
> Uhm ... do we have to talk about this?!?! It was a traumatic
> experience for me. Emacs lisp saved me. I don't want to talk about
> it. ;-)
It's trying to make a rather simple table in TeX that made me think that
there should be a Lisp typesetting system... That or an anonymous TeX users
psychological support group...
Marc
"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:
> "Thomas F. Burdick" <···@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote
> > "Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:
> >
> > > New features:
> > > Images (JPEG for now)
> > > Tables, at last something for which TeX is quite ugly... ;-)
> >
> > No kidding.
> >
> > > Nested Tables (another thing TeX does not do well (if it does it))
> >
> > Uhm ... do we have to talk about this?!?! It was a traumatic
> > experience for me. Emacs lisp saved me. I don't want to talk about
> > it. ;-)
>
> It's trying to make a rather simple table in TeX that made me think that
> there should be a Lisp typesetting system... That or an anonymous TeX users
> psychological support group...
No human being should have to generate TeX tables. Just for those
reading who may have to, don't do it! There's a wonderful WYSIWYM
("... what you mean") table package for Emacs that can generate LaTeX
<http://table.sf.net/>.
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"Thomas F. Burdick" <···@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote
> No human being should have to generate TeX tables. Just for those
> reading who may have to, don't do it! There's a wonderful WYSIWYM
> ("... what you mean") table package for Emacs that can generate LaTeX
> <http://table.sf.net/>.
6022 lines of code!!! This is amazing...
My table.lisp has 112 lines of code so far. Ok it's not fully finished but I
can't imagine it going more than 500 lines even with a lot of features.
That alone gives an idea of the difference of expressive power between TeX
and cl-typesetting. :)
BTW I've just added support for table and cells color in my tables
(increasing the file from 100 lines to 112 ;-)
The updated example is still there:
www.fractalconcept.com/ex.pdf
(Who said tacky ???)
Marc
In article <··········@library2.airnews.net>, Marc Battyani wrote:
> BTW I'm looking for a name less "lispnik only" than cl-typesetting.
How about express-type from s-expression typesetting?
Good luck with the project,
rca
Robert Amble wrote:
> In article <··········@library2.airnews.net>, Marc Battyani wrote:
>
>>BTW I'm looking for a name less "lispnik only" than cl-typesetting.
>
>
> How about express-type from s-expression typesetting?
Hmmm. If we are going to emphasize sexprs--not a bad idea at all since
secretly we are trying to suck the world into sexpr-based languages
(guess which), and if we are hoping to steal market share from TeX, and
if we are going to make Erann happy by throwing substance to the wind
and focusing on the gawdy bauble of a fancy name as if the programming
community were so many magpies...what else?: SeX.
kenny
In article <·······················@twister.nyc.rr.com>, Kenny Tilton wrote:
>
>
> Robert Amble wrote:
> > In article <··········@library2.airnews.net>, Marc Battyani wrote:
> >
> >>BTW I'm looking for a name less "lispnik only" than cl-typesetting.
> >
> >
> > How about express-type from s-expression typesetting?
>
> Hmmm. If we are going to emphasize sexprs--not a bad idea at all since
> secretly we are trying to suck the world into sexpr-based languages
> (guess which), and if we are hoping to steal market share from TeX, and
> if we are going to make Erann happy by throwing substance to the wind
> and focusing on the gawdy bauble of a fancy name as if the programming
> community were so many magpies...what else?: SeX.
>
How about going with the old tradition of silly recursive acronyms?
XinT -> XinT is not TeX
XnT, XiT, Xain'tT, etc...
(replace X with a suitable letter :-p)
Eric Daniel
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"Eric Daniel" <···········@barberic.vancouver.wa.us> wrote
> In article <·······················@twister.nyc.rr.com>, Kenny Tilton
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Robert Amble wrote:
> > > In article <··········@library2.airnews.net>, Marc Battyani wrote:
> > >
> > >>BTW I'm looking for a name less "lispnik only" than cl-typesetting.
> > >
> > >
> > > How about express-type from s-expression typesetting?
> >
> > Hmmm. If we are going to emphasize sexprs--not a bad idea at all since
> > secretly we are trying to suck the world into sexpr-based languages
> > (guess which), and if we are hoping to steal market share from TeX, and
> > if we are going to make Erann happy by throwing substance to the wind
> > and focusing on the gawdy bauble of a fancy name as if the programming
> > community were so many magpies...what else?: SeX.
> >
>
> How about going with the old tradition of silly recursive acronyms?
> XinT -> XinT is not TeX
> XnT, XiT, Xain'tT, etc...
>
> (replace X with a suitable letter :-p)
I think we should drop any reference to TeX to avoid religious wars...
Marc
Marc Battyani wrote:
> New features:
> Images (JPEG for now)
> Tables, at last something for which TeX is quite ugly... ;-)
> Nested Tables (another thing TeX does not do well (if it does it))
> Horizontal rules
> Functional horizontal rules (I have a wavelet rule in the example pdf)
> Left and right margins
> etc...
>
> As usual you can look the example at :
> www.fractalconcept.com/ex.pdf (who said tacky ? ;-))
Lovely. Under a very old Acrobat (3.0) I got "There was a problem
reading this document [28].", probably on the JPGs because they showed
as gray rectangles, but AOK under the latest (6.0).
> And the source of this example is below.
>
> I'm still collecting the names of people wanting to contribute... ;-)
Got mine? :)
kenny
"Kenny Tilton" <·······@nyc.rr.com> wrote
>
> Marc Battyani wrote:
> > New features:
> > Images (JPEG for now)
> > Tables, at last something for which TeX is quite ugly... ;-)
> > Nested Tables (another thing TeX does not do well (if it does it))
> > Horizontal rules
> > Functional horizontal rules (I have a wavelet rule in the example pdf)
> > Left and right margins
> > etc...
> >
> > As usual you can look the example at :
> > www.fractalconcept.com/ex.pdf (who said tacky ? ;-))
>
> Lovely. Under a very old Acrobat (3.0) I got "There was a problem
> reading this document [28].", probably on the JPGs because they showed
> as gray rectangles, but AOK under the latest (6.0).
>
> > And the source of this example is below.
> >
> > I'm still collecting the names of people wanting to contribute... ;-)
>
> Got mine? :)
Sure. At least twice :)
Marc
Marc Battyani <·············@fractalconcept.com> wrote:
> BTW I'm looking for a name less "lispnik only" than cl-typesetting.
Heh, I was just wondering what would be an aprropriate hint about the
non-universality of your chosen name. ;)
How about "Clayout", "Clatter", or "XeT?
Nice work!
Cheers,
-- Nikodemus
"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:
> BTW I'm looking for a name less "lispnik only" than cl-typesetting.
setq = (type)SET(ting) Q(uality) = Simply Excellent Type Quality
= Setq Exceeds Tex Quality
hint = Hint Is Not Tex
hit = His Isn't Tex
clit = Common LIsp Typesetting ... hmm, maybe that's a bit to sleazy ;-)
"Jesper Harder" <······@myrealbox.com> wrote
> "Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:
>
> > BTW I'm looking for a name less "lispnik only" than cl-typesetting.
>
> setq = (type)SET(ting) Q(uality) = Simply Excellent Type Quality
nice one
> = Setq Exceeds Tex Quality
I prefer avoid flame war with TeX...
> hint = Hint Is Not Tex
>
> hit = His Isn't Tex
>
> clit = Common LIsp Typesetting ... hmm, maybe that's a bit to sleazy ;-)
Hmm, this or Kenny's SeX + "Lisp" will insure several millions downloads...
;-)
Marc
"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:
> >
> > clit = Common LIsp Typesetting ... hmm, maybe that's a bit to sleazy ;-)
>
> Hmm, this or Kenny's SeX + "Lisp" will insure several millions downloads...
> ;-)
or an ignominious end in several million spam filters.
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