From: ·······@ziplip.com
Subject: Re: BIG successes of Lisp
Date: 
Message-ID: <CIMKD0MKP0JQIFAAAAMGD4EPMEEAONFTL3DSKNML@ziplip.com>
Ivan Toshkov wrote:

> 
> Besides, when I read the description of orbiz, I was with the
> impression, that they prealocated the memory for just that reason: to
> remove the need for garbage collection.

An why would anyone do something this gross to optimize something
that is *not* a real bottleneck? Think when you read. The fact is,
they still had close their whole web site for maintenance every 
once in a while (I never said if it was a supercomputer cluser or
a DOS machine) I added "AFAIK" qualifier because it *may*
be an old and already resolved issue.

Edi Weitz and Joe Marshall, you may stop kissing ass now. You
need brains to work for ITA, not lips.

From: Joe Marshall
Subject: Re: BIG successes of Lisp
Date: 
Message-ID: <u16bhjse.fsf@ccs.neu.edu>
·······@ziplip.com writes:

> Ivan Toshkov wrote:
>
>> 
>> Besides, when I read the description of orbiz, I was with the
>> impression, that they prealocated the memory for just that reason: to
>> remove the need for garbage collection.
>
> An why would anyone do something this gross to optimize something
> that is *not* a real bottleneck? Think when you read. The fact is,
> they still had close their whole web site for maintenance every 
> once in a while (I never said if it was a supercomputer cluser or
> a DOS machine) I added "AFAIK" qualifier because it *may*
> be an old and already resolved issue.
>
> Edi Weitz and Joe Marshall, you may stop kissing ass now. You
> need brains to work for ITA, not lips.

I'm well aware of the necessary qualifications for working at ITA.  
I worked there.  Any shutdown at Orbitz was (and is) unrelated to
garbage collection.
From: Ivan Toshkov
Subject: Re: BIG successes of Lisp
Date: 
Message-ID: <bmjd32$nncll$1@ID-207269.news.uni-berlin.de>
·······@ziplip.com wrote:
> Ivan Toshkov wrote:
> 
> 
>>Besides, when I read the description of orbiz, I was with the
>>impression, that they prealocated the memory for just that reason: to
>>remove the need for garbage collection.
> 
> 
> An why would anyone do something this gross to optimize something
> that is *not* a real bottleneck? 

How do you know?

> Think when you read. The fact is,

I do.

> they still had close their whole web site for maintenance every 
> once in a while (I never said if it was a supercomputer cluser or
> a DOS machine) I added "AFAIK" qualifier because it *may*
> be an old and already resolved issue.

Read again the article, if you need to: 
http://www.paulgraham.com/carl.html . Especially points 4 and 9 for 
memory usage desciption and point 5 for the infrastructure.

-- 
Ivan Toshkov

email: ··········@last-name.org
From: Christian Lynbech
Subject: Re: BIG successes of Lisp
Date: 
Message-ID: <ofekxcs6ub.fsf@situla.ted.dk.eu.ericsson.se>
>>>>> "mike420" == mike420  <·······@ziplip.com> writes:

mike420> You need brains to work for ITA, not lips.

That not is not entirely true, you do need to know some lisp.


:-)


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