I know there are many compiles for Linux under GNU, but what about Windows?
I looked at "Open LISP" I did not like that "compiler." It seemed more like
a intepreter.
I did a short look on the net for Common LISP and all came up as FREE TRIAL.
Thanks
After a long battle with technology, "TheWanderer" <······@spamcop.net>, an earthling, wrote:
> I know there are many compiles for Linux under GNU, but what about Windows?
>
> I looked at "Open LISP" I did not like that "compiler." It seemed more like
> a intepreter.
>
> I did a short look on the net for Common LISP and all came up as FREE TRIAL.
CLISP is available on Windows, so there does exist at least one...
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TheWanderer <······@spamcop.net> wrote:
> I know there are many compiles for Linux under GNU, but what about Windows?
Plenty:
ECL, GCL, CLISP, and ABL at least -- all of varying stages of
maturity.
See:
http://ecls.sourceforge.net/
http://www.gnu.org/software/gcl/
http://clisp.sourceforge.net/
http://www.cliki.net/Armed%20Bear%20Lisp
Cheers,
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"TheWanderer" <······@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:<·····················@twister.austin.rr.com>...
> I looked at "Open LISP" I did not like that "compiler." It seemed more like
> a intepreter.
Not knowing the implementation you mean (can you provide a pointer,
please?), I cannot comment. However, it should be mentioned that
standalone LISP compilers are a rarity; the vast majority of CL
implementatiosn are interpreter/compiler combinations. Most provide
compilation of some kind, most often into a VM bytecode, or into
another HLL like C, but some do compile to native from within the
interpreter; a few have command-line compilation options as well.
I know of no LISP development system in which the is not development
environment is not built upon the basic LISP Listener or Lisp
Debugger, but then I do not know of all the ones available. Not all
work solely at the interpreter prompt - Allegro, a widely used
commercial implementation, does not - but most do, including all the
open source implentations which I know of. Both CMUCL and GCL
integrate with Emacs/XEmacs quite well, even under Windows.
If you are willing to take a tangent away from Common Lisp to a close
relative, the Dr Scheme environment is quite well regarded. See
http://www.drscheme.org/ for details, but keep in mind that Scheme is
quite different from CL in many ways, and partisanship between them
tends to run high.
On 14 Dec 2003 16:07:05 -0800, ······@hotmail.com (Jay Osako) wrote:
> Not knowing the implementation you mean (can you provide a pointer,
> please?), I cannot comment. However, it should be mentioned that
> standalone LISP compilers are a rarity; the vast majority of CL
> implementatiosn are interpreter/compiler combinations. Most provide
> compilation of some kind, most often into a VM bytecode, or into
> another HLL like C, but some do compile to native from within the
> interpreter; a few have command-line compilation options as well.
From the fact that you write "LISP" instead of "Lisp" one might guess
that you haven't used Lisp for quite some time. I think it is fair to
say that, contrary to your remarks above, the vast majority of Common
Lisp implementations which are in use today compile directly to
machine code. All ANSI Common Lisps provide a means to compile code
because this is governed by the standard. Some of them (MCL, SBCL,
Corman Lisp) don't even have an interpreter.
What you mean by "interpreter" above is probably the interactive
listener, also called REPL (read-eval-print loop).
> I know of no LISP development system in which the is not development
> environment is not built upon the basic LISP Listener or Lisp
> Debugger, but then I do not know of all the ones available. Not all
> work solely at the interpreter prompt - Allegro, a widely used
> commercial implementation, does not - but most do, including all the
> open source implentations which I know of. Both CMUCL and GCL
> integrate with Emacs/XEmacs quite well, even under Windows.
CMUCL doesn't run on Windows.
Edi.
This is what I get for posting before I've had a chance to edit the
message carefully.
Anyway, I gather from what you've said, that the problem you had was
not with the interpreter per se, but that you were expecting it to
have an Integrated Development Environment. Is that correct?
The thing is, most open source language implementations are designed
to be portable, or else are written with a Unix-like environment in
mind (which is usually easily ported to Windows or MacOS). As such,
they are usually just provide a very minimal interpreter or compiler,
and leave the editing and debugging to other tools. This is the case
not only for LISP, but also C, C++, Perl, and Java; gcc is a typical
example of this sort of tool-based compiler.
The usual practice in the Unix world is to use a configurable
general-purpose editor like EMACS or vim, with the editor also acting
as a shell for the compiler or interpreter. This can be done in
Windows, as well, but it can take a while for someone used to VC++ or
other IDEs to get used to.
Some language specific IDEs are available under Windows, but they
usually aren't included in the language kit. In fact, it is often the
IDE that includes the compiler with it; for example, Dev-C++ comes
with the MINGW version of gcc (see
http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html for details).
Does anyone know of any open source IDEs for GCL, CMCL, or ECL, which
can be used under Windows? I suspect that such a development kit would
be of considerable value; my own experience was that the default Lisp
listener/interpreter prompt of most LISPs is one of the things which
turns people away from the language, especially for those used to
menu-driven IDE systems such as VC++ or Dev-C++.
If not, can anyone provide pointers to any CL windowing libraries that
work under MS Windows? It may just be time for a Dev-Lisp to come on
the scene. I need a big project to work on for the language anyway...
In article <····························@posting.google.com>, Jay Osako
<······@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know of any open source IDEs for GCL, CMCL, or ECL, which
> can be used under Windows? I suspect that such a development kit would
> be of considerable value; my own experience was that the default Lisp
> listener/interpreter prompt of most LISPs is one of the things which
> turns people away from the language, especially for those used to
> menu-driven IDE systems such as VC++ or Dev-C++.
Emacs with ilisp should run under Windows and work with those
implementations.
>
> If not, can anyone provide pointers to any CL windowing libraries that
> work under MS Windows? It may just be time for a Dev-Lisp to come on
> the scene. I need a big project to work on for the language anyway...
GCL integrates with Tk, which runs under Windows. This could be used to
construct a library. Alternatively both ECL and GCL provide excellent
integration with C libraries; just pick the toolkit of your choice and
hack away. In particular I'd suggest perhaps using gtk, as it works
well on Windows natively, and also would be portable to other systems.
--
Brian Mastenbrook
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~bmastenb/
Jay Osako wrote:
> Does anyone know of any open source IDEs for GCL, CMCL, or ECL, which
> can be used under Windows?
Jabberwocky works with CLISP on Windows. If I understood correctly,
somebody is also working on an Eclipse plugin, which would likely work
in a Windows Eclipse, but I don't know which Lisp(s) it targets.
"Henrik Motakef" <············@henrik-motakef.de> wrote in message
···············@news.arcor-ip.de...
> Jay Osako wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know of any open source IDEs for GCL, CMCL, or ECL, which
> > can be used under Windows?
>
> Jabberwocky works with CLISP on Windows. If I understood correctly,
> somebody is also working on an Eclipse plugin, which would likely work
> in a Windows Eclipse, but I don't know which Lisp(s) it targets.
I think that there are even two (in progress)!
http://www.czempin.de/nicolai/blog/archives/000197.php
http://lemonodor.com/archives/000218.html
alex
Are my posts not reaching the group or what? I asked the same question
on 12/9 and had 0 replies. Wanderer asks on 12/14 and gets 5 replies!
????
Zach
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:39:07 GMT, "TheWanderer" <······@spamcop.net>
wrote:
>I know there are many compiles for Linux under GNU, but what about Windows?
>
>I looked at "Open LISP" I did not like that "compiler." It seemed more like
>a intepreter.
>
>I did a short look on the net for Common LISP and all came up as FREE TRIAL.
>
>Thanks
>
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:29:16 -0500, Zachary Uram wrote:
> Are my posts not reaching the group or what? I asked the same question on
> 12/9 and had 0 replies. Wanderer asks on 12/14 and gets 5 replies!
the problem is, this question has been asked many, many times. I asked it
myself several years ago, when after visiting the Lisp home page I simply
did not want to believe what I saw.
The guys in the ng are sick and tired of this question. (But of course,
you could not know this so I am not blaming you.)
jb
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> On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:29:16 -0500, Zachary Uram wrote:
>
> > Are my posts not reaching the group or what? I asked the same question on
> > 12/9 and had 0 replies. Wanderer asks on 12/14 and gets 5 replies!
>
> the problem is, this question has been asked many, many times. I asked it
> myself several years ago, when after visiting the Lisp home page I simply
> did not want to believe what I saw.
>
> The guys in the ng are sick and tired of this question. (But of course,
> you could not know this so I am not blaming you.)
BTW, I see your post, but there's no trace of the post you are replying
to in my newsserver. So, actually there may be a problem with the
propagation of the previous poster's posts (apart from this case, I don't
have the impression that my newsserver is dropping posts).
P.
> I know there are many compiles for Linux under GNU, but what about Windows?
Is there some special reason why lisp faq is not posted regularly
to comp.lang.lisp, as is customary in other newsgoups? I think many people
here would be thankful to the person who would do it.
Denis Mashkevich writes:
> Is there some special reason why lisp faq is not posted regularly
> to comp.lang.lisp, as is customary in other newsgoups? I think many people
Lack of volunteers to maintain the FAQ.
Paolo
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Denis Mashkevich wrote:
>>I know there are many compiles for Linux under GNU, but what about Windows?
>
>
> Is there some special reason why lisp faq is not posted regularly
> to comp.lang.lisp, as is customary in other newsgoups? I think many people
> here would be thankful to the person who would do it.
AFAIK, noone is actively maintaining a Lisp FAQ at the moment.
Pascal
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