From: ····@objs.com
Subject: SwissAir Explorers
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Would anyone happen to know if SwissAir's liquidation is likely to include their reputed large cache of TI Explorers?

Steve

From: Steven M. Haflich
Subject: Re: SwissAir Explorers
Date: 
Message-ID: <3E8A633D.2030408@alum.mit.edu>
····@objs.com wrote:

> Would anyone happen to know if SwissAir's liquidation is likely to 
> include their reputed large cache of TI Explorers?

Doubtful.

All this is based on public knowledge.  If you spend enough time
searching press releases about the SwissAir bankruptcy, you will
learn that their EDP arm was a subsidiary company named Atraxis.
Atraxis was sold to EDS Switzerland and, so far as I know, is
still fairly intact and operating.

www.atraxis.com redirects to www.eds.ch which has history and
company information.
From: Paolo Amoroso
Subject: Re: SwissAir Explorers
Date: 
Message-ID: <bQiLPmlOWDdhjHMLss1Vq0OC2mMI@4ax.com>
On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:36:06 -0500, ····@objs.com wrote:

> Would anyone happen to know if SwissAir's liquidation is likely to
> include their reputed large cache of TI Explorers?

I have heard that its IT assets went to Atraxis, which was in turn sold to
EDS AG. The Explorers are apparently still in use on behalf of other Swiss
airlines.


Paolo
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Paolo Amoroso <·······@mclink.it>
From: Paolo Amoroso
Subject: Re: SwissAir Explorers
Date: 
Message-ID: <AFiMPvPE418abb3RXIYQ1lp4oxYM@4ax.com>
On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:36:06 -0500, ····@objs.com wrote:

> Would anyone happen to know if SwissAir's liquidation is likely to
> include their reputed large cache of TI Explorers?

I was wondering: when Swiss Air was still in business, who did hardware and
system software--e.g. operating system fixes--maintenance for their TI
Explorers? Is there something similar to the current Symbolics Research?
Did Swiss Air--or whoever managed their IT assets at the time--do all of
this in house? Same question about the current owners of the Explorers,
i.e. EDS Switzerland.

Well, since I'm in wondering mode anyway...

Is it possible to speculate on which influence on the continued use of Lisp
Machines--and Lisp--for that kind of airline management applications is due
to legacy issues (e.g. costs of rewriting/porting the software), value of
the AI software itself, and value of the language/development environment?


Paolo
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Paolo Amoroso <·······@mclink.it>
From: Vlad S.
Subject: Re: SwissAir Explorers
Date: 
Message-ID: <76c4da8e.0304041030.5b9396a3@posting.google.com>
Paolo Amoroso <·······@mclink.it> wrote in message news:<····························@4ax.com>...
> On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:36:06 -0500, ····@objs.com wrote:
> 
> > Would anyone happen to know if SwissAir's liquidation is likely to
> > include their reputed large cache of TI Explorers?
> 
> I was wondering: when Swiss Air was still in business, who did hardware and
> system software--e.g. operating system fixes--maintenance for their TI
> Explorers? Is there something similar to the current Symbolics Research?
> Did Swiss Air--or whoever managed their IT assets at the time--do all of
> this in house? Same question about the current owners of the Explorers,
> i.e. EDS Switzerland.

I came across the CV of Bruce O'Neel while googling around some time
ago, and he appears to have worked at Atraxis on the reservation
system. From his description, it does sound like they did all the
maintanace on the old Explorers in-house ("Design and implimentation
of TCP/IP interfaces in Lisp").

http://lemonodor.com/archives/000242.html#00024

(the links are in my comment)