From: ilias
Subject: LISP - The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!
Date: 
Message-ID: <anv1jo$f18$1@usenet.otenet.gr>
the people around lisp talk. they talk and talk and talk.

the people around lisp design. they design and design and design.

-

there is a trap.

once you start to design a lisp interpreter, you'll recognise that you 
fall into this trap.

do, try design, talk, try, talk make.

-

i escaped from this trap, early.

i've continued my waste-of-time-project in C++ Builder. Having some of 
the information about LISP in background i understand some more things.

Lisp has solutions for may things. But has to many deficit

The way?

-

Smalltalk.

Without knowing much about it.

Knowing only that its similar to lisp due to its architecture (image 
based, realtime modifications) but strongly objectoriented.

Thats the way.

The Entry point.

-

But maybe i'm wrong.

The only thing i know for sure:

*Common* LISP is not the way.

-

*Common* LISP is an example for the failure of human being.

-

*Scheme* is an example for the failure of human being.

-

I could spit into your faces.

Respectless savages.

Ruined this genious invention.

-

of course i'll be back.

cannot await to blame you.

when i've the *facts* to do.

-

and i *will* blame you.

and i will *explain* it...

with 'apples'.

be sure!

nearly *everyone* will understand.

what you have done.

to the little baby.

lisp.

-

...

-

The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!

From: Andreas Wild
Subject: suggesting a new newsgroup - or does this already exist?
Date: 
Message-ID: <anv45d$7ol$01$1@news.t-online.com>
> [.....] 
> and i *will* blame you.
> 
> and i will *explain* it...
> 
> with 'apples'.
> 
> be sure!
> 
> nearly *everyone* will understand.
> 
> what you have done.
> 
> to the little baby.
> 
> lisp.
> 
> -
> 
> ...
> 
> -
> 
> The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!
> 

*If* I would have searched a posting like that I'm sure that I'd looked 
for a newsgroup called

*comp.lang.poetry* or
*comp.opensource.lyrics*.

The imagination of going down on my knees in front of a beloved person 
with some pretty flowers (still) in my hands and recitating the above 
text makes me feeling very romantic.

Andi
From: ilias
Subject: Re: suggesting a new newsgroup - or does this already exist?
Date: 
Message-ID: <anv5q6$i0p$1@usenet.otenet.gr>
Andreas Wild wrote:
>> [.....] and i *will* blame you.
>>
>> and i will *explain* it...
>>
>> with 'apples'.
>>
>> be sure!
>>
>> nearly *everyone* will understand.
>>
>> what you have done.
>>
>> to the little baby.
>>
>> lisp.
>>
>> -
>>
>> ...
>>
>> -
>>
>> The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!
>>
> 
> *If* I would have searched a posting like that I'm sure that I'd looked 
> for a newsgroup called
> 
> *comp.lang.poetry* or
> *comp.opensource.lyrics*.
> 
> The imagination of going down on my knees in front of a beloved person 
> with some pretty flowers (still) in my hands and recitating the above 
> text makes me feeling very romantic.
> 
> Andi
> 

poor soul.
From: David Rush
Subject: Re: LISP - The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!
Date: 
Message-ID: <anvkhf$r0s$4@pixie.nscp.aoltw.net>
And here I thought you were getting civilized...

ilias <·······@pontos.net> writes:
> Lisp has solutions for may things. But has to many deficit

If you'd spend a year actually writing code in some Lisp variant, I
imagine that you'd feel differently.

> The way? ... Smalltalk.

Well, yeah. For a lot of things. Been there, done that, tie-dyed the
T-shirt.

> Without knowing much about it.

So what else is new?

> Knowing only that its similar to lisp due to its architecture (image
> based, realtime modifications) but strongly objectoriented.

You missed this boat before you even *thought* about getting in the
car and driving down to the dock...

david rush
-- 
As I've gained more experience with Perl it strikes me that it resembles
Lisp in many ways, albeit Lisp as channeled by an awk script on acid.
	-- Tim Moore (on comp.lang.lisp)
From: Blair McGlashan
Subject: Re: LISP - The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!
Date: 
Message-ID: <anvmq7$hr8ud$1@ID-50941.news.dfncis.de>
"ilias" <·······@pontos.net> wrote in message
·················@usenet.otenet.gr...
>....
> and i *will* blame you.
>
> and i will *explain* it...
>
> with 'apples'.
>
> be sure!
>
> nearly *everyone* will understand.
>
> what you have done.
>
> to the little baby.
>
> lisp.

Hmmm, maybe I'm wrong. Its not Eliza. Its an attempt at the monkeys with
typewriters and Shakespeare problem. Not a bad one, but very irritating.

Regards

Blair
From: Raymond Wiker
Subject: Re: LISP - The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!
Date: 
Message-ID: <86hefwyt2v.fsf@raw.grenland.fast.no>
"Blair McGlashan" <·····@object-arts.com> writes:

> "ilias" <·······@pontos.net> wrote in message
> ·················@usenet.otenet.gr...
> >....
> > and i *will* blame you.
> >
> > and i will *explain* it...
> >
> > with 'apples'.
> >
> > be sure!
> >
> > nearly *everyone* will understand.
> >
> > what you have done.
> >
> > to the little baby.
> >
> > lisp.
> 
> Hmmm, maybe I'm wrong. Its not Eliza. Its an attempt at the monkeys with
> typewriters and Shakespeare problem. Not a bad one, but very irritating.

        Which proves that just a single monkey with a typewriter is
not enough, even if the typewriter is actually a computer.

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From: Faried Nawaz
Subject: Re: LISP - The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!
Date: 
Message-ID: <457e22d8.0210090427.28f8c440@posting.google.com>
ilias <·······@pontos.net> wrote in message news:<············@usenet.otenet.gr>...

> i escaped from this trap, early.

So long.  I'd say it's been nice knowing you, but, really, it hasn't.


Faried.
-- 
The Great GNU has arrived, infidels, behold his wrath !
If I wanted a GF,                Values, not variables.
      I'd use CL.
From: Justin Johnson
Subject: Re: LISP - The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!
Date: 
Message-ID: <1034167307.20608.0@demeter.uk.clara.net>
This smacks to me of trying to learn a language and then thinking that
'grass is greener on the other side...'

I like LISP.  I like Smalltalk.  I like most languages.  I especially like
languages like LISP and Smalltalk because they have pure design principles
at the lowest level (Smalltalk - everything objects, LISP - Program and data
are the same/S-Expressions).

When languages are bolstered to become useful in a commercial/industrial
sense, they become bigger and in some ways perhaps feel less simple.  This
is not necessarily a bad thing.  IMHO, Common LISP is still pure at heart.

Perhaps you find Common LISP overwhelming?  Nobody is forcing you to use it.

> and i will *explain* it...
>
> with 'apples'.

And I'm sure you'll be answered with 'oranges'.

--
Justin Johnson

"ilias" <·······@pontos.net> wrote in message
·················@usenet.otenet.gr...
> the people around lisp talk. they talk and talk and talk.
>
> the people around lisp design. they design and design and design.
>
> -
>
> there is a trap.
>
> once you start to design a lisp interpreter, you'll recognise that you
> fall into this trap.
>
> do, try design, talk, try, talk make.
>
> -
>
> i escaped from this trap, early.
>
> i've continued my waste-of-time-project in C++ Builder. Having some of
> the information about LISP in background i understand some more things.
>
> Lisp has solutions for may things. But has to many deficit
>
> The way?
>
> -
>
> Smalltalk.
>
> Without knowing much about it.
>
> Knowing only that its similar to lisp due to its architecture (image
> based, realtime modifications) but strongly objectoriented.
>
> Thats the way.
>
> The Entry point.
>
> -
>
> But maybe i'm wrong.
>
> The only thing i know for sure:
>
> *Common* LISP is not the way.
>
> -
>
> *Common* LISP is an example for the failure of human being.
>
> -
>
> *Scheme* is an example for the failure of human being.
>
> -
>
> I could spit into your faces.
>
> Respectless savages.
>
> Ruined this genious invention.
>
> -
>
> of course i'll be back.
>
> cannot await to blame you.
>
> when i've the *facts* to do.
>
> -
>
> and i *will* blame you.
>
> and i will *explain* it...
>
> with 'apples'.
>
> be sure!
>
> nearly *everyone* will understand.
>
> what you have done.
>
> to the little baby.
>
> lisp.
>
> -
>
> ...
>
> -
>
> The Spirit of Lisp - Transparency!
>