I have a Macintosh Performa 600 running System 7.5.5.
The only CL that I've found to run on it is a version of XLISP,
which has no compiler and doesn't support copy&paste.
Is there any better free CL that will work on my computer?
If more than one, which is the best? If just one, which is it?
Where do I find the oneAndOnly or best on the net?
More generally, is there a search engine for CL implementations
whereby I can specify my platform and cost limit (in this case $0)
and get back the best three available listed by descending quality?
If no such search engine exists, does the raw information exist
in some organized format, such that I might write such a search
engine to help people use the database? Would anybody like me to
write such a search engine?
From: Will Hartung
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
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"Robert Maas" <···@netmagic.net> wrote in message
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> I have a Macintosh Performa 600 running System 7.5.5.
> The only CL that I've found to run on it is a version of XLISP,
> which has no compiler and doesn't support copy&paste.
> Is there any better free CL that will work on my computer?
> If more than one, which is the best? If just one, which is it?
> Where do I find the oneAndOnly or best on the net?
The other common Mac Lisp is PowerLisp, which is a predecessor of Corman
Lisp.
But, for $95 you can not beat MCL from Digitool, which has native PPC and
68K versions.
PowerLisp is pretty good, but MCL has a better interface into the Mac
Toolbox et al.
Regards,
Will
From: Kenny Tilton
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
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Robert Maas wrote:
>
> I have a Macintosh Performa 600 running System 7.5.5.
> The only CL that I've found to run on it is a version of XLISP,
> which has no compiler and doesn't support copy&paste.
> Is there any better free CL that will work on my computer?
Is that a 68K machine? PowerLisp 2.0.1 still supported that:
http://www.corman.net/PowerLisp.html
And I hear Digitool's 68K is now $99 (rounded off to the nearest $200,
that's free) or will be when they get the OSX version out (if it isn't
already). Sorry for the fuzziness, I can't reach their site right now.
--
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From: Tim Moore
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
Message-ID: <acgq7q$vev$0@216.39.145.192>
1) Get a free computer i.e., a 486 or old Pentium, from Berkeley
Neighborhood Computers or Yellow Network Coalition.
2) Install CLISP or CMUCL.
Tim
On 22 May 2002 08:47:48 -0700, Robert Maas <···@netmagic.net> wrote:
>I have a Macintosh Performa 600 running System 7.5.5.
>The only CL that I've found to run on it is a version of XLISP,
>which has no compiler and doesn't support copy&paste.
>Is there any better free CL that will work on my computer?
>If more than one, which is the best? If just one, which is it?
>Where do I find the oneAndOnly or best on the net?
>
>More generally, is there a search engine for CL implementations
>whereby I can specify my platform and cost limit (in this case $0)
>and get back the best three available listed by descending quality?
>If no such search engine exists, does the raw information exist
>in some organized format, such that I might write such a search
>engine to help people use the database? Would anybody like me to
>write such a search engine?
Robert Maas <···@netmagic.net> wrote:
> I have a Macintosh Performa 600 running System 7.5.5.
> The only CL that I've found to run on it is a version of XLISP,
> which has no compiler and doesn't support copy&paste.
> Is there any better free CL that will work on my computer?
> If more than one, which is the best? If just one, which is it?
> Where do I find the oneAndOnly or best on the net?
When I had my Performa 636 (with 7.5.5), the only things i found were
XLISP, XLISP-stat, and PowerLisp. At the time what ended up being the
best for my purposes was XLISP-STAT. Main problem I had with Power
Lisp at the time was consistant crashing (I dont remember the why's,
but it was fairly consistant). In the about box it says release Xlisp
Plus version 2.1g / XLIPS STAT version 2.1 release 3.50 (Beta), and
the app is named "XLISP_STAT 50 020". It seems to have no problem
with copy and paste.
If you cannot find it in the wild and want it, lemme know.
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From: Dave Bakhash
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
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···@netmagic.net (Robert Maas) writes:
> I have a Macintosh Performa 600 running System 7.5.5. The only CL
> that I've found to run on it is a version of XLISP,
I would check out openmcl: http://openmcl.clozure.com/
(As I understand it, this contains the guts of MCL, and is free and
O.S.)
alternatively, CLISP might be able to run on there...I don't know for
sure...try compiling the sources.
dave
From: Joel Ray Holveck
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
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>> I have a Macintosh Performa 600 running System 7.5.5. The only CL
>> that I've found to run on it is a version of XLISP,
> I would check out openmcl: http://openmcl.clozure.com/
AFAIK, OpenMCL only runs on Linux/PPC and MacOS X.
joelh
From: Dave Bakhash
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
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Joel Ray Holveck <·····@juniper.net> writes:
> >> I have a Macintosh Performa 600 running System 7.5.5. The only CL
> >> that I've found to run on it is a version of XLISP,
> > I would check out openmcl: http://openmcl.clozure.com/
>
> AFAIK, OpenMCL only runs on Linux/PPC and MacOS X.
Yeah...I wasn't too sure...just thought it might be useful.
On that note, however, I was under the impression that it ran on OS 9 as
well.
dave
From: Kenny Tilton
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
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I was over reading up on OpenMCL yesterday, and what I took away from it
was that it was the upshot of an effort to get MCL going on some other
OS/chip/both... so natch GUI and other OS/whatever-specific stuff got
ripped out.
In which case I would think it would build on lotsa platforms. But if
you need a GUI, the fun then begin?
The above are rough impressions meant for entertainment value only.
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clinisys, inc
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From: Doug McNaught
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
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Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> I was over reading up on OpenMCL yesterday, and what I took away from it
> was that it was the upshot of an effort to get MCL going on some other
> OS/chip/both... so natch GUI and other OS/whatever-specific stuff got
> ripped out.
>
> In which case I would think it would build on lotsa platforms. But if
> you need a GUI, the fun then begin?
The website seems to be down, but AFIAK it's currently restricted to
the PowerPC architecture and a Unixoid layer underneath, thus it runs
on LinuxPPC and Darwin/OSX only. I don't know if there are plans for
ports to other architectures.
-Doug
From: Daniel Barlow
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
Message-ID: <87u1oxwxvl.fsf@noetbook.telent.net>
Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> I was over reading up on OpenMCL yesterday, and what I took away from it
> was that it was the upshot of an effort to get MCL going on some other
> OS/chip/both... so natch GUI and other OS/whatever-specific stuff got
> ripped out.
>
> In which case I would think it would build on lotsa platforms. But if
> you need a GUI, the fun then begin?
I wish that "absence of GUI" really did imply "builds on lots of
platforms". I can't speak for OpenMCL, but experience with SBCL/CMUCL
lowlevel stuff suggests that for each OS that a native-code Lisp
compiler runs on, it's going to need to know such things as
- how to get context information (register contents, pc address, etc)
in a signal handler
- the c calling convention: register usage, stack frame layout, etc
- possibly details of the memory map, what signals are sent for
writing into protected or unmapped areas
and so forth. None of this is exactly standardized by Posix ...
If you know this stuf for a given OS, it's often not too hard to
port a CL compiler that already knows how to generate code for the
CPU, but without doing this work I would tend to believe there's nil
chance of it building (or at least, running) out of the box
-dan
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From: Christophe Rhodes
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
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Daniel Barlow <···@telent.net> writes:
> Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>
> > I was over reading up on OpenMCL yesterday, and what I took away from it
> > was that it was the upshot of an effort to get MCL going on some other
> > OS/chip/both... so natch GUI and other OS/whatever-specific stuff got
> > ripped out.
> >
> > In which case I would think it would build on lotsa platforms. But if
> > you need a GUI, the fun then begin?
>
> I wish that "absence of GUI" really did imply "builds on lots of
> platforms". I can't speak for OpenMCL, but experience with SBCL/CMUCL
> lowlevel stuff suggests that for each OS that a native-code Lisp
> compiler runs on, it's going to need to know such things as
>
> - how to get context information (register contents, pc address, etc)
> in a signal handler
... and having seen the hoops that OpenMCL goes through to work on OS
X (10.1, which lacks proper SA_SIGINFO POSIX signals), and having
written the hoops for sbcl on sparc/linux, it has to be said that even
when this is nominally standardized standards are sadly not
followed. So yeah, it's harder than it looks :-/
Christophe
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From: Paolo Amoroso
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
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On 22 May 2002 22:08:24 -0400, Dave Bakhash <·····@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> alternatively, CLISP might be able to run on there...I don't know for
CLISP is also available under Mac OS X.
Paolo
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From: Steve Long
Subject: Re: What's the best free CL for Macintosh Performa 600 running 7.5.5 ?
Date:
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PowerLisp is great for learning but is prone to crashing and other
unpredictable behavior when you start writing code that writes code (and
using the destructuring capabilities of LOOP). That's been my
experience, anyway.
Robert Maas wrote:
> I have a Macintosh Performa 600 running System 7.5.5.
> The only CL that I've found to run on it is a version of XLISP,
> which has no compiler and doesn't support copy&paste.
> Is there any better free CL that will work on my computer?
> If more than one, which is the best? If just one, which is it?
> Where do I find the oneAndOnly or best on the net?
>
> More generally, is there a search engine for CL implementations
> whereby I can specify my platform and cost limit (in this case $0)
> and get back the best three available listed by descending quality?
> If no such search engine exists, does the raw information exist
> in some organized format, such that I might write such a search
> engine to help people use the database? Would anybody like me to
> write such a search engine?