From: Nils Goesche
Subject: Good Eliza program in Common Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <87sn6jxled.fsf@darkstar.cartan>
Hi!

Does anybody know a really good Eliza program available on the
net (I already have Norvig's)?  Preferrably one in modern Common
Lisp?  Or the original one?

Regards,
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From: Marco Antoniotti
Subject: Re: Good Eliza program in Common Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <y6c3cyj177r.fsf@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>
Nils Goesche <···@cartan.de> writes:

> Hi!
> 
> Does anybody know a really good Eliza program available on the
> net (I already have Norvig's)?  Preferrably one in modern Common
> Lisp?  Or the original one?
> 

Porting the M-x doctor from Emacs shouldn't be too difficult.

Cheers

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From: Nils Goesche
Subject: Re: Good Eliza program in Common Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <87ofh7xgnb.fsf@darkstar.cartan>
Marco Antoniotti <·······@cs.nyu.edu> writes:

> Nils Goesche <···@cartan.de> writes:
> 
> > Does anybody know a really good Eliza program available on the
> > net (I already have Norvig's)?  Preferrably one in modern Common
> > Lisp?  Or the original one?
> > 
> 
> Porting the M-x doctor from Emacs shouldn't be too difficult.

Good idea, thanks!

Regards,
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From: Adam Tissa
Subject: A message from Erik Naggum
Date: 
Message-ID: <821bauo9afulhobfgal41bjh3j5g0nj9um@4ax.com>
See 
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&ic=1&selm=an_591283931

A message from Erik Naggum

"
  I'm overjoyed that I actually hurt your feelings.  I wish I could
hurt   your feelings so much you would commit suicide.  sadly, this
has failed,   and now the world has to live with an amoral creep who
considers himself   above ethics and reproach.  you are clearly a
psychotic monster, beset  with hatred and malice towards everything
that hurts you, and you're so  out of touch with reality to begin with
that your fantasy world is taking  over, and hence it is in fact
impossible to hurt you, any more than you   constantly hurt yourself.
this is also why you have to imagine what my  day is like, and post
your literally insane imagination.  any remnant of  sanity would have
held you back from such levels of psychotic behavior.

  you should consult a psychiatric ward and have yourself committed
before  you actually kill someone in your deranged, psychotic state,
filled as   you are with hatred and malice towards people who didn't
stop hurting you  when you screamed "please don't hurt me" to
yourself, only.  the only thing I regret is that I didn't see your
fantastic stupidity as  a result of your shattered psychology -- it's
fairly uncommon to be so  fucking retarded because of a psychological
problem, but clearly, you  have been immensely stupid all your life,
and now that I come and hurt  your stupid feelings, so you turn on me
like a vicious and mad dog -- and  that's exactly what you are to me:
a mad dog in need of a bullet through  his sick brain before he
actually manages to hurt someone or himself.

  do the world a huge favor and commit suicide tonight.
"
From: Siegfried Gonzi
Subject: Re: A message from Erik Naggum
Date: 
Message-ID: <3CA5AE9A.9060006@kfunigraz.ac.at>
[Only comp.lang.lisp has been remained unchangend in the header]

Adam Tissa wrote:

> See 
> http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&ic=1&selm=an_591283931
> 
> A message from Erik Naggum

[...]

>   do the world a huge favor and commit suicide tonight.
> "


Forget the Clown (or better: failed computer scientist) Naggum. A few 
month ago, I saved the following:

Citation (I cannot remember the poster or newsgroup; but it was 3 month 
ago; maybe one is successful with google):

"It has been my observation that long time Lisp use seems to affect the
mind in weird ways. Lisp use seems to have a higher than average chance
to make the user become rather, ahum, eccentric. Take for instance 
Richard Stallman, or Erik Naggum."


You should be more concerned if real computer scientists would write 
such stuff ("call for suicide") (lets say Knuth, Stroustrup,...). You 
may not forget that the last forum which Naggum may write stuff in is in 
newsgroups; or could anyone imagine that Naggum would be prepared for a 
peer-reviewed magazine. Naggum! Nature magazine is waiting for you.


S. Gonzi
From: Nils Goesche
Subject: Re: A message from Erik Naggum
Date: 
Message-ID: <87ofh6femh.fsf@darkstar.cartan>
Siegfried Gonzi <···············@kfunigraz.ac.at> writes:

> [Only comp.lang.lisp has been remained unchangend in the header]
> 
> Adam Tissa wrote:

[snip]

Is there some special reason why you are ganging up with a
cross-posting multiple-identity troll?

> Citation (I cannot remember the poster or newsgroup; but it was
> 3 month ago; maybe one is successful with google):
> 
> "It has been my observation that long time Lisp use seems to affect the
> mind in weird ways. Lisp use seems to have a higher than average chance
> to make the user become rather, ahum, eccentric. Take for instance
> Richard Stallman, or Erik Naggum."

How about citing the next two sentences of that posting, too:

# Perhaps it's the conceptual single-mindedness of Lisp that
# affects the brain.  Or perhaps the infix notation?

Infix notation, huh?  What a highly competent source of
information you're using.

Regards,
-- 
Nils Goesche
Ask not for whom the <CONTROL-G> tolls.

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From: JonJones
Subject: Re: A message from Erik Naggum
Date: 
Message-ID: <MPG.170fc6d0e9e2037498974c@news.tn.comcast.giganews.com>
In article <··································@4ax.com>, 
·······················@yahoo.com says...
> See 
> http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&ic=1&selm=an_591283931
> 
> A message from Erik Naggum

So why spam it to these newsgroups? Just send it to his ISP 
and Google.
From: lin8080
Subject: Re: Good Eliza program in Common Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <3CA4E40B.8EE7F2FE@freenet.de>
Nils Goesche schrieb:

> Hi!

> Does anybody know a really good Eliza program available on the
> net (I already have Norvig's)?  Preferrably one in modern Common
> Lisp?  Or the original one?

- Try: (seems like CL, but not sure)


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- MegaHAL differs from conversation simulators such as ELIZA in that it
uses a Markov Model to learn how to hold a conversation.  It is possible
to teach MegaHAL to talk about new topics, and in different languages.

- Other correspondence, including bug reports, should be sent by email
to:
   ·····@ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au


- online-test-site:
   http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~hutch/hal/


- some references: (copy from the readmes)

Colby, Kenneth Mark.  1981.  Modeling a paranoid mind.  The Behavioral
and Brain Sciences, 4:515--560.

Epstein, Robert.  1992.  Can machines think?  AI Magazine,
Summer:80--95.

Hutchens, Jason L.  1994.  Natural language grammatical inference.
Honour's thesis, University of Western Australia, December 1994. 
Available
at: http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/Papers/

Hutchens, Jason L.  1996.  How to pass the turing test by cheating.
Available at: http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/Papers/

Jelinek, Frederick.  1986.  Markov source modeling of text generation.
Technical report, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center.

Loebner, Hugh.  1994.  In response to lessons from a restricted Turing
test.  Available at: http://acm.org/~loebner/In-response.html

Moor, James H.  1976.  An analysis of the turing test.  Philosophical
Studies, 30:249--257.

Shannon, Claude E. and Warren Weaver.  1949.  The Mathematical theory of
Communication.  University of Illinois Press.

Shieber, Stuart M.  1994.  Lessons from a restricted turing test.
Available at the Computation and Language e-print server as
cmp-lg/9404002.

Turing, A.M.  1992.  Computing machinery and intelligence.  In D.C.
Ince, editor, Collected works of A.M. Turing: Mechanical Intelligence.
Elsevier Science Publishers, chapter 5, pages 133--160.

Weizenbaum, Joseph.  1976.  Computer Power and Human Reason.  W.H.
Freeman and Company.


- ELIZA for Java:
As far as I know, there is a version for Java. Write to:
············@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de


stefan
From: Nils Goesche
Subject: Re: Good Eliza program in Common Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <87adsqc09t.fsf@darkstar.cartan>
lin8080 <·······@freenet.de> writes:

> Nils Goesche schrieb:
> 
> > Does anybody know a really good Eliza program available on the
> > net (I already have Norvig's)?  Preferrably one in modern Common
> > Lisp?  Or the original one?
> 
> - Try: (seems like CL, but not sure)

[MEGAHAL]

Looks very cool, but is in C, Python and Tcl, it seems.  I think
Emacs' doctor will do just fine.  I need it for a joke program.
Thanks, anyway.

Regards,
-- 
Nils Goesche
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From: Goldhammer
Subject: Re: Good Eliza program in Common Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <b698a4f2.0204061847.6046b103@posting.google.com>
Nils Goesche <···@cartan.de> wrote in message news:<··············@darkstar.cartan>...


> Hi!
> 
> Does anybody know a really good Eliza program available on the
> net (I already have Norvig's)?  Preferrably one in modern Common
> Lisp?  Or the original one?


How about this...

Implementations of Eliza:

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/eliza/0.html
From: Nils Goesche
Subject: Re: Good Eliza program in Common Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <87lmc0b4ou.fsf@darkstar.cartan>
··········@my-deja.com (Goldhammer) writes:

> Nils Goesche <···@cartan.de> wrote in message news:<··············@darkstar.cartan>...
> 
> 
> > Does anybody know a really good Eliza program available on the
> > net (I already have Norvig's)?  Preferrably one in modern Common
> > Lisp?  Or the original one?
> 
> How about this...
> 
> Implementations of Eliza:
> 
> http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/eliza/0.html

Cool, thanks!

Regards,
-- 
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