From: Tim Bradshaw
Subject: Lisp announcements?
Date: 
Message-ID: <ey33cyyeoj0.fsf@cley.com>
I wondered whether I should post this article, since it smells
suspiciously of self-importance; but I would actually like to know the
answer to the question I ask below, so...

I won't be reading cll (or any other news) after today. This is
really a matter of time and priorities - I find myself wondering how
on earth I can justify the hour or two a day I spend doing this when I
could be talking to my cat or taking pictures, or doing any number of
other things that I never have time to do.

There's nothing I can do about missing the sometimes excellent
quality of discussion here, but one thing I really would like to have
is some way of keeping in touch with Lisp-related developments.  It
seems to me that such a thing would be useful to others as well.  The
sort of thing I mean is a place where people can announce significant
new bits of code, or releases of systems (including commercial ones),
but where there is no discussion, and which would be fairly low
traffic - a moderated mailing list would be ideal.

I'm aware of CLiki, which will probably serve at a pinch.  A moderated
mailing list would be better though.  I know of several mailing lists
which might serve this purpose but most of them either are too
specialised (single-vendor), or dormant.

So, does anyone know of such a mailing list, or web site?  If not,
would anyone be interested in a lisp-announce list?  In either case,
please mail me, as I won't be able to read it by news.

Thanks,

--tim (Of course, my resolve may not hold out for ever...)
From: Bruce Hoult
Subject: Re: Lisp announcements?
Date: 
Message-ID: <bruce-6EEC9A.14281918032002@copper.ipg.tsnz.net>
In article <···············@cley.com>, Tim Bradshaw <···@cley.com> 
wrote:

> I won't be reading cll (or any other news) after today. This is
> really a matter of time and priorities - I find myself wondering how
> on earth I can justify the hour or two a day I spend doing this when I
> could be talking to my cat or taking pictures, or doing any number of
> other things that I never have time to do.

I regard it as an important part of my continuing education as a 
professional.  I also spend about the same amount of time reading actual 
books and papers.

It is my belief that if I *hadn't* been participating in usenet and 
similar things (e.g. BIX) over the past 15.5 years then I would have had 
a far more difficult job tracking upcoming technologies and keeping my 
skill set fresh.

It is possible that I might get 50% more work done in some given week or 
month or even year if I didn't read usenet (and other things).  But I 
suspect I'm getting paid 2 - 3 times more, even so, than I would be if I 
didn't keep myself up to date and take on fresh ideas.  If I could get a 
job at all.

As it is, I can even now talk relatively sensibly with current CS PhD 
students about their research, command premium levels of renumeration, 
and get interesting and challenging work, rather than doing yet more 
GUIs in VB.

-- Bruce