From: Håkon Alstadheim
Subject: Anyone using The Eclipse window-manager ?
Date: 
Message-ID: <m0elf8boc3.fsf@alstadhome.online.no>
Hi, I've been playing around with the eclipse window-manager,
<http://ww.telent.net/cliki/eclipse>, and I am starting to feel the
need to shoot the breeze with others doing the same. I may also have
some small snippets to contribute. Would this be the right place for
that, or is there somewhere more appropriate?

I now have
emacs/ilisp/CMUCL/clocc-defsystem/clocc-port/clocc-clx/eclipse running
more or less to my satisfaction as my Gnome window manager. My main
irritant now is long startup-time for emacs/ilisp, so that the Gnome
desk-guide applet times out. I've solved a couple of other problems
already. Having ilisp available really helps.

I'm thinking about dumping clm/hemlock in my core aswell, but I guess
the potential for popping up a window at a bad time for the
window-manager would be too great.

-- 
H�kon Alstadheim, hjemmepappa.

From: James A. Crippen
Subject: Re: Anyone using The Eclipse window-manager ?
Date: 
Message-ID: <m31yb8q9h3.fsf@kappa.unlambda.com>
······@online.no (H�kon Alstadheim) writes:

> I'm thinking about dumping clm/hemlock in my core aswell, but I guess
> the potential for popping up a window at a bad time for the
> window-manager would be too great.

Not if you say:

#+motif(setq interface:*interface-style* :tty)

somewhere in your site-init.lisp or the like.  Then it won't try to
pop up the window.

You could also hack the window manager to wrap the above setq around
the dangerous places.  A macro like this would make this easy:

(defmacro with-tty-debugger (body)
  `(let ((existing-interface-style interface:*interface-style*))
     (unwind-protect
          (setq interface:*interface-style* existing-interface-style)
       (progn (setq interface:*interface-style* :tty)
              ,body))))

I just wrote that off the top of my head.  No idea if it works.  But
it should give you an idea of what you could do.

'james

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From: Kalle Olavi Niemitalo
Subject: Re: Anyone using The Eclipse window-manager ?
Date: 
Message-ID: <874rg4xhx9.fsf@Astalo.y2000.kon.iki.fi>
······@online.no (H�kon Alstadheim) writes:

> I now have
> emacs/ilisp/CMUCL/clocc-defsystem/clocc-port/clocc-clx/eclipse running
> more or less to my satisfaction as my Gnome window manager. My main
> irritant now is long startup-time for emacs/ilisp, so that the Gnome
> desk-guide applet times out.

Could you start CMUCL and Eclipse first, and connect Emacs and
ILISP to them after GNOME is satisfied?  Perhaps with detachtty.

I haven't used Eclipse myself so I don't know if it needs
terminal I/O during startup.
From: Iban Hatchondo
Subject: Re: Anyone using The Eclipse window-manager ?
Date: 
Message-ID: <3D120A6C.1080408@labri.fr>
Kalle Olavi Niemitalo wrote:

>······@online.no (H�kon Alstadheim) writes:
>
>  
>
>>I now have
>>emacs/ilisp/CMUCL/clocc-defsystem/clocc-port/clocc-clx/eclipse running
>>more or less to my satisfaction as my Gnome window manager. My main
>>irritant now is long startup-time for emacs/ilisp, so that the Gnome
>>desk-guide applet times out.
>>    
>>
>
>Could you start CMUCL and Eclipse first, and connect Emacs and
>ILISP to them after GNOME is satisfied?  Perhaps with detachtty.
>
>I haven't used Eclipse myself so I don't know if it needs
>terminal I/O during startup.
>  
>
Greeting,
sorry for the long time I need for answering, but I am quite busy those 
days.
But Kalle is right, just start Eclipse with cmucl as you do before in 
your .xinitrc or by selecting it in the gnomecc applet (which suppose 
that you save your session after that).   And you can connect your ILISP 
after.
But you may not be completely satisfied. In fact, the time to lunch 
Eclipse that way is still "long" and you may see a message from gnome 
saying that Eclipse hasn't start. (just ignore it).
I try to understand the way gnome is testing the wm is started or not to 
that as quickly as I could, but I didn't find any solution.
Please, let me now your impressions on Eclipse, and I could try to do 
some improuvement in a near (I hope) futur. I should be able to do a new 
release soon. I have to speek about this with James A. CRIPPEN who 
propose himself to help me.

Regards,
Iban.

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