I am looking for some older lisp implementations.
My optimum would be (for various strange reasons in my own warped
little world), mulisp from before 1985. I am also interested in
finding an implementation of that possibly mythical beast known as
"pure lisp" (does this term work out to being equivelant to Lisp
1.5?). I am also interested in "T", and would like to know about a
new idea that has come about called PROTO.
Does anyone know where there are any of these?
Has anyone actually seen PROTO, yet?
If y'all think that things like lisp 1.5/ pure lisp, are too old-hat,
I invite you to read that new book on randomness, by that big-name
dude (I'll work on being more technical about this on my next post, if
someone doesn't just happen to post whom I'm talking about, and/or the
real title of the book.).
Please Help;
and...
Thank you-in advance;
Slarty
P.S.:I can give an adress for a site that has mulisp86, but I don't
know whether I should, because, I don't want the sites owner to get in
trouble with TI.
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> I am also interested in finding an implementation of that possibly
> mythical beast known as "pure lisp"
There is no such thing as "pure lisp". It is not even mythical --
other people need to believe something for it to by mythical. This
sounds like weird Golden Age thinking, which is stupid to begin with,
but ludicrous when it comes to programming languages.
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> ······@ureach.com (zaphod) writes:
>
> > I am also interested in finding an implementation of that possibly
> > mythical beast known as "pure lisp"
>
> There is no such thing as "pure lisp". It is not even mythical --
> other people need to believe something for it to by mythical. This
> sounds like weird Golden Age thinking, which is stupid to begin with,
> but ludicrous when it comes to programming languages.
>
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I am not sure I understand you fully, but that is not surprising as I
often have that problem with marxists, and others of such ilk! Are
you saying you've never heard of pure lisp? Speaking of things people
have never heard of; I have never heard of "weird golden age
thinking". What is that?!
O.K., but I'd be careful going within 50 miles of the MIT AI lab if
I were you!
Commies do hate romantics, and others of such ilk, so it's not
surprising that it's such a drag to see you!
Thank you for communicating; however.
This is still the Golden age of computing!
My Father; a system deseigner of 20 years; sais he likes Pascal,
because his programs tend to "look like poetry!". Appearantly, he is
not to sentimental to have been a debugger, a programmer, and then a
system designer, for 15 years.
In article <····························@posting.google.com>, zaphod wrote:
>···@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick) wrote in message news:<···············@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU>...
>> ······@ureach.com (zaphod) writes:
>>
>> > I am also interested in finding an implementation of that possibly
>> > mythical beast known as "pure lisp"
>>
>> There is no such thing as "pure lisp". It is not even mythical --
>> other people need to believe something for it to by mythical. This
>> sounds like weird Golden Age thinking, which is stupid to begin with,
>> but ludicrous when it comes to programming languages.
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>I am not sure I understand you fully, but that is not surprising as I
>often have that problem with marxists, and others of such ilk! Are
>you saying you've never heard of pure lisp? Speaking of things people
There is no such programming language as ``pure lisp''. This is a
term that is sometimes applied to *programs* which are constrained
to assignment-free programming. They are said to be coded in pure Lisp,
meaning ``pure of destructive operations''. The implication is that
destructive operations are impure, which is an inappropriately
emotional viewpoint about a technical matter.
>have never heard of; I have never heard of "weird golden age
>thinking". What is that?!
> O.K., but I'd be careful going within 50 miles of the MIT AI lab if
>I were you!
> Commies do hate romantics, and others of such ilk, so it's not
>surprising that it's such a drag to see you!
If you must have a paranoid world view which divides people into commies
and romantics, at least try to refrain from identifying actual people
with characters in your psychotic fantasy.
>Thank you for communicating; however.
>This is still the Golden age of computing!
>My Father; a system deseigner of 20 years; sais he likes Pascal,
>because his programs tend to "look like poetry!". Appearantly, he is
>not to sentimental to have been a debugger, a programmer, and then a
>system designer, for 15 years.
Nobody here gives a damn about who your daddy is and what he did and
for how long. No amount of brilliant hackery can possibly compensate
for his bringing a Usenet-trolling miscreant into the world.
On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:18:10PM -0800, zaphod wrote:
> I am looking for some older lisp implementations.
> My optimum would be (for various strange reasons in my own warped
> little world), mulisp from before 1985. I am also interested in
> finding an implementation of that possibly mythical beast known as
> "pure lisp" (does this term work out to being equivelant to Lisp
> 1.5?). I am also interested in "T", and would like to know about a
> new idea that has come about called PROTO.
> Does anyone know where there are any of these?
> Has anyone actually seen PROTO, yet?
I came across an old CD from '95 or so with some old Lisp interpreters
from the 80's. They may be still floating around the internet too:
PC-LISP and X-LISP. There was also some AI code in Lisp. I copied a bunch
of it and tarred it up, if you're interested I've put it up at
http://emu.res.cmu.edu/~mrd/oldlisps.tar.gz
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·······@andrew.cmu.edu wrote in message news:<····················@emu>...
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:18:10PM -0800, zaphod wrote:
> > I am looking for some older lisp implementations.
> > My optimum would be (for various strange reasons in my own warped
> > little world), mulisp from before 1985. I am also interested in
> > finding an implementation of that possibly mythical beast known as
> > "pure lisp" (does this term work out to being equivelant to Lisp
> > 1.5?). I am also interested in "T", and would like to know about a
> > new idea that has come about called PROTO.
> > Does anyone know where there are any of these?
> > Has anyone actually seen PROTO, yet?
>
> I came across an old CD from '95 or so with some old Lisp interpreters
> from the 80's. They may be still floating around the internet too:
> PC-LISP and X-LISP. There was also some AI code in Lisp. I copied a bunch
> of it and tarred it up, if you're interested I've put it up at
>
> http://emu.res.cmu.edu/~mrd/oldlisps.tar.gz
Thank you very much!
From: Brian P Templeton
Subject: Re: older/non-standardised lisp dialect implementations, etc.
Date:
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·······@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:18:10PM -0800, zaphod wrote:
>> I am looking for some older lisp implementations.
>> My optimum would be (for various strange reasons in my own warped
>> little world), mulisp from before 1985. I am also interested in
>> finding an implementation of that possibly mythical beast known as
>> "pure lisp" (does this term work out to being equivelant to Lisp
>> 1.5?). I am also interested in "T", and would like to know about a
>> new idea that has come about called PROTO.
>> Does anyone know where there are any of these?
>> Has anyone actually seen PROTO, yet?
>
> I came across an old CD from '95 or so with some old Lisp interpreters
> from the 80's. They may be still floating around the internet too:
> PC-LISP and X-LISP. There was also some AI code in Lisp. I copied a bunch
> of it and tarred it up, if you're interested I've put it up at
>
> http://emu.res.cmu.edu/~mrd/oldlisps.tar.gz
^^^ ^^^
So this is who emu in #lisp is! :)
XLisp-Stat is also available as a Debian package:
apt-get install xlispstat
Apparently it is derived from XLisp, though I'm not sure how closely
they are related.
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······@ureach.com (zaphod) wrote in message news:<····························@posting.google.com>...
> I am looking for some older lisp implementations.
> My optimum would be (for various strange reasons in my own warped
> little world), mulisp from before 1985. I am also interested in
> finding an implementation of that possibly mythical beast known as
> "pure lisp" (does this term work out to being equivelant to Lisp
> 1.5?). I am also interested in "T", and would like to know about a
> new idea that has come about called PROTO.
> Does anyone know where there are any of these?
> Has anyone actually seen PROTO, yet?
> If y'all think that things like lisp 1.5/ pure lisp, are too old-hat,
> I invite you to read that new book on randomness, by that big-name
> dude (I'll work on being more technical about this on my next post, if
> someone doesn't just happen to post whom I'm talking about, and/or the
> real title of the book.).
>
> Please Help;
> and...
> Thank you-in advance;
>
>
> Slarty
>
> P.S.:I can give an adress for a site that has mulisp86, but I don't
> know whether I should, because, I don't want the sites owner to get in
> trouble with TI.
I forgot to specify; my actual optimum, even more specifically, would
be mulisp, pre-1985, for an apple ][ emulator.