From: Marc Battyani
Subject: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <F58B2C404B8829AE.42FCF2656384A601.9446095D212AD7CA@lp.airnews.net>
I've added internal stream compression to cl-pdf
I need to know if the compressed pdf files are still readable

Here they are:

http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex1z.pdf
http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex2z.pdf
http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex3z.pdf
http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex4z.pdf
http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex5z.pdf

If you have kids, give them the last one ;-)

Marc

From: Dan Andreatta
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <Xns91AF75DCB563Fandreattamailchemsce@12.253.140.251>
"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> wrote in 
·······················································@lp.airnews.net:

> I've added internal stream compression to cl-pdf
> I need to know if the compressed pdf files are still readable
> 
> Here they are:
> 
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex1z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex2z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex3z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex4z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex5z.pdf
> 
> If you have kids, give them the last one ;-)
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> 

w/ NT 4 SP5, reader 5.02, All OK.

-- 
D. Andreatta
Univ. of S. Carolina
Chemistry Dept.

Bruce I:   ... American beer is a little like making love in a canoe!
Bruce III: Making love in a canoe? 
Bruce I:   It's f***ing close to water!

--- Monty Python, "The Bruces", Live at the Holliwood Bowl
From: Wade Humeniuk
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <a40v1j$tui$1@news3.cadvision.com>
Thanks for CL-PDF, I could have used it a year ago.  Automatic personalized
newsletter generation from a DB.

Wade

"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> wrote in message
·······················································@lp.airnews.net...
> I've added internal stream compression to cl-pdf
> I need to know if the compressed pdf files are still readable
>
> Here they are:
>
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex1z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex2z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex3z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex4z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex5z.pdf
>
> If you have kids, give them the last one ;-)
>
> Marc
>
>
>
From: Marc Battyani
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <BC2C23803219B499.7F65F4A72F26AE9B.E8A1B3744594422C@lp.airnews.net>
"Wade Humeniuk" <········@cadvision.com> wrote in message
·················@news3.cadvision.com...
> Thanks for CL-PDF, I could have used it a year ago.  Automatic
personalized
> newsletter generation from a DB.

I wrote CL-PDF for this kind of application. I had to generate good quality
reports in a web application.

Marc
From: Wade Humeniuk
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <a41445$vkk$1@news3.cadvision.com>
Yes, exactly.  In my case they were emailed out but also had to go to a
print shop for snail mailing.

Has anyone done anything on text layout yet?  One of the hardest problems
was text/image layout, with intelligent page breaks, and reducing the total
amount of paper.  Functions where you could see the extent of a word or
paragraph, or document.

There was also the idea to include HTML formatted fragments into the
document.  This would allow experts to submit documents that would be
displayable on the web site and included in newsletters.  The HTML has no
page formatting capabilities like that.

Wade

"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> wrote in message
·······················································@lp.airnews.net...
>
> "Wade Humeniuk" <········@cadvision.com> wrote in message
> ·················@news3.cadvision.com...
> > Thanks for CL-PDF, I could have used it a year ago.  Automatic
> personalized
> > newsletter generation from a DB.
>
> I wrote CL-PDF for this kind of application. I had to generate good
quality
> reports in a web application.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
From: Marc Battyani
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <92817FBB7A1C3D59.72C82A3FE8499F65.8D0B490B41BF7B7C@lp.airnews.net>
"Wade Humeniuk" <········@cadvision.com> wrote

> Yes, exactly.  In my case they were emailed out but also had to go to a
> print shop for snail mailing.
>
> Has anyone done anything on text layout yet?  One of the hardest problems
> was text/image layout, with intelligent page breaks, and reducing the
total
> amount of paper.  Functions where you could see the extent of a word or
> paragraph, or document.

It's not that complicated. I've already done this a few years ago for
automatic paper catalog generation. I used Tex like glue and had better
results than PageMaker (I don't even mention the Word thing from M$)

The font width tables are available so it's really easy to write small
text-layout functions.

Volunteers needed!

Marc
From: Thomas F. Burdick
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <xcv1yfvptb8.fsf@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU>
"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:

> "Wade Humeniuk" <········@cadvision.com> wrote
> 
> > Yes, exactly.  In my case they were emailed out but also had to go to a
> > print shop for snail mailing.
> >
> > Has anyone done anything on text layout yet?  One of the hardest problems
> > was text/image layout, with intelligent page breaks, and reducing the
> total
> > amount of paper.  Functions where you could see the extent of a word or
> > paragraph, or document.
> 
> It's not that complicated. I've already done this a few years ago for
> automatic paper catalog generation. I used Tex like glue and had better
> results than PageMaker (I don't even mention the Word thing from M$)

It's sometimes amazing how much easier problems are to solve once
someone has already done it before (TeX consumed how many years of
Knuth's career? I'm so glad he did the work and shared the results).
Having read _TeX: The Program_, it was super-easy for me to make nice
layout in PostScript documents generated from a word-processor-ish
application.  It boggles the mind how WP vendors can sleep at night...

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From: Brian P Templeton
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <87g04ax9fd.fsf@tunes.org>
···@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick) writes:

> "Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:
> 
>> "Wade Humeniuk" <········@cadvision.com> wrote
>> 
>> > Yes, exactly.  In my case they were emailed out but also had to go to a
>> > print shop for snail mailing.
>> >
>> > Has anyone done anything on text layout yet?  One of the hardest problems
>> > was text/image layout, with intelligent page breaks, and reducing the
>> total
>> > amount of paper.  Functions where you could see the extent of a word or
>> > paragraph, or document.
>> 
>> It's not that complicated. I've already done this a few years ago for
>> automatic paper catalog generation. I used Tex like glue and had better
>> results than PageMaker (I don't even mention the Word thing from M$)
> 
> It's sometimes amazing how much easier problems are to solve once
> someone has already done it before (TeX consumed how many years of
> Knuth's career? I'm so glad he did the work and shared the results).
> Having read _TeX: The Program_, it was super-easy for me to make nice
> layout in PostScript documents generated from a word-processor-ish
> application.  It boggles the mind how WP vendors can sleep at night...
> 
They don't quite sleep - they lie there blinded and unconcious (from
too little air), covered with piles and piles of cash...

> -- 
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>          ,'  .\  / | No to Imperialist war |                        
>      ,--'    _,'   | Wage class war!       |                        
>     /       /      `-----------------------'                        
>    (   -.  |                               
>    |     ) |                               
>   (`-.  '--.)                              
>    `. )----'                               

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From: Rahul Jain
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <877kpnmt93.fsf@photino.sid.rice.edu>
"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:

> "Wade Humeniuk" <········@cadvision.com> wrote
> > Has anyone done anything on text layout yet?  One of the hardest problems
> > was text/image layout, with intelligent page breaks, and reducing the
> > total amount of paper.  Functions where you could see the extent of a
> > word or paragraph, or document.

> It's not that complicated. I've already done this a few years ago for
> automatic paper catalog generation. I used Tex like glue and had better
> results than PageMaker (I don't even mention the Word thing from M$)

Hopefully, I'll get to work on LambdaTeX this semester, but it seems
like that is not too likely, due to professors' schedules... Oh well,
one can still dream...

All these features and more are in my grand master-plan for LambdaTeX,
but I have no idea how much time I can devote to it with school
getting in the way... and then I have to get a job. The best laid plan
of mice and men...

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From: Marc Battyani
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <548CE6DA8230691A.95DD116A40D4F2E2.5A1DAF6226F99B6A@lp.airnews.net>
"Rahul Jain" <·····@sid-1129.sid.rice.edu> wrote in message
···················@photino.sid.rice.edu...
> "Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:
>
> > "Wade Humeniuk" <········@cadvision.com> wrote
> > > Has anyone done anything on text layout yet?  One of the hardest
problems
> > > was text/image layout, with intelligent page breaks, and reducing the
> > > total amount of paper.  Functions where you could see the extent of a
> > > word or paragraph, or document.
>
> > It's not that complicated. I've already done this a few years ago for
> > automatic paper catalog generation. I used Tex like glue and had better
> > results than PageMaker (I don't even mention the Word thing from M$)
>
> Hopefully, I'll get to work on LambdaTeX this semester, but it seems
> like that is not too likely, due to professors' schedules... Oh well,
> one can still dream...
>
> All these features and more are in my grand master-plan for LambdaTeX,
> but I have no idea how much time I can devote to it with school
> getting in the way... and then I have to get a job. The best laid plan
> of mice and men...

Yes but it does not need to be a full featured text processor.
You can start with small functions like
draw-text text x1 y1 x2 y2 &optional (align :left)
To layout text in a rectangular box

Then extend it to allow multiple fonts in the text.
Then extend it to non rectangular shapes.
etc...

Marc
From: Rahul Jain
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <873d0amjgd.fsf@photino.sid.rice.edu>
"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:

> "Rahul Jain" <·····@sid-1129.sid.rice.edu> wrote in message
> > Hopefully, I'll get to work on LambdaTeX this semester, but it seems
> > like that is not too likely, due to professors' schedules... Oh well,
> > one can still dream...

> > All these features and more are in my grand master-plan for LambdaTeX,
> > but I have no idea how much time I can devote to it with school
> > getting in the way... and then I have to get a job. The best laid plan
> > of mice and men...

> Yes but it does not need to be a full featured text processor.

Well, what I want is a fully-featured document processor with a
lisp-like macro system and access to all of CL using multimethod
dispatch to convert document elements into output formats. ;)

> You can start with small functions like
> draw-text text x1 y1 x2 y2 &optional (align :left)
> To layout text in a rectangular box

> Then extend it to allow multiple fonts in the text.
> Then extend it to non rectangular shapes.
> etc...

I'll think about how to separate the LambdaTeX design from the backend
rendering engine. I suppose giving the engine no `badness' information
(letting it use the defaults) would be the way to deal with the
cl-pdf-layout interface.

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From: Kenny Tilton
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <3C642645.9B9EE5F7@nyc.rr.com>
Marc Battyani wrote:
> 
> "Wade Humeniuk" <········@cadvision.com> wrote
> 
> > Has anyone done anything on text layout yet?  One of the hardest problems
> > was text/image layout, with intelligent page breaks,

Cells can handle that as long as...

> The font width tables are available so it's really easy to write small
> text-layout functions.

oh, good.

> 
> Volunteers needed!

I am just finishing up a MOP-less version of Cells, after that I'll give
it a go. What's the link to CL-PDF again?

Btw, how are we defining this project? CL-DTP? Should I just dash off
all of Quark XPress this weekend? :)

-- 

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 clinisys, inc
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 "We have a pond and a pool. The pond would be good for you."
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From: Dr. Edmund Weitz
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <m3g04b220b.fsf@dyn138.dbdmedia.de>
Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> writes:

> Btw, how are we defining this project? CL-DTP? Should I just dash
> off all of Quark XPress this weekend? :)

:)

Sure. And don't forget to check if InDesign has some functionality you
might want to add... :)

-- 

Dr. Edmund Weitz
Hamburg
Germany

The Common Lisp Cookbook
<http://agharta.de/cookbook/>
From: Kenny Tilton
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <3C6437AD.8515BBA5@nyc.rr.com>
"Dr. Edmund Weitz" wrote:
> 
> Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> 
> > Btw, how are we defining this project? CL-DTP? Should I just dash
> > off all of Quark XPress this weekend? :)
> 
> :)
> 
> Sure. And don't forget to check if InDesign has some functionality you
> might want to add... :)

OK, and I am partial to FrameMaker as well.

If the folks who have worked for me see me insisting on a spec they'll
choke, I better Just Do It.... still waiting on the CL-PDF link. Anyone?

kenny
clinisys
From: Marc Battyani
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <A6FB2843FFCC3C5B.3E8CA349A1936152.A5A28C4E8E930DBF@lp.airnews.net>
"Kenny Tilton" <·······@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
······················@nyc.rr.com...
>
>
> "Dr. Edmund Weitz" wrote:
> >
> > Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> >
> > > Btw, how are we defining this project? CL-DTP? Should I just dash
> > > off all of Quark XPress this weekend? :)
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Sure. And don't forget to check if InDesign has some functionality you
> > might want to add... :)
>
> OK, and I am partial to FrameMaker as well.
>
> If the folks who have worked for me see me insisting on a spec they'll
> choke, I better Just Do It.... still waiting on the CL-PDF link. Anyone?

Here it is :
http://www.fractalconcept.com/asp/html/cl-pdf.html

I will release 0.4 in a few minutes...

Marc
From: Christopher Browne
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <m3bsezpiwk.fsf@chvatal.cbbrowne.com>
In an attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, "Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> transmitted:
> I will release 0.4 in a few minutes...

Starting on CL-TeX-to-PDF probably ought to wait until 0.5 gets
released.  I'm sure it can start before you get to version 3.141 :-).

One question: I was browsing bookstore today, and saw indication that
there's a scheme for representing fields that can be filled in by a
user using Acrobat.  Thus, if you have a tax form in PDF form, the
Gentle User could fill in the blanks online, and thus have things
annotated in lovely laser-printed form, rather than (I did this today
with a W-9 form) having to printing it off and writing things in by
hand.

That's a long prelude without a question yet.

In the book I browsed, they had _zero_ details; it was all about "buy
this tool or that from Adobe."  :-(

I don't _see_ support for "user-modifyable fields" in the code base.
Is that something you're aware of?  It would, I'd think, be a _really_
slick idea, and macrology/CLOS could doubtless make it work pretty
intelligently...
-- 
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From: Michael Parker
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <2382FCDF28F97A52.EB7A22E818AEDFA1.A9DDB09F9D51DCB7@lp.airnews.net>
Christopher Browne wrote:
> 
> In an attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, "Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> transmitted:
> > I will release 0.4 in a few minutes...
> 
> Starting on CL-TeX-to-PDF probably ought to wait until 0.5 gets
> released.  I'm sure it can start before you get to version 3.141 :-).
> 
> One question: I was browsing bookstore today, and saw indication that
> there's a scheme for representing fields that can be filled in by a
> user using Acrobat.  Thus, if you have a tax form in PDF form, the
> Gentle User could fill in the blanks online, and thus have things
> annotated in lovely laser-printed form, rather than (I did this today
> with a W-9 form) having to printing it off and writing things in by
> hand.

At my previous company we actually tried to use this in an application.
We were getting forms from the states and other government bodies in PDF
format, and in many cases these things had to be submitted as paper
in exactly that form (they may have been using a scanner to process
them,
but I suspect it was more of a legal requirement to prevent the vendors
from changing fonts and whatnot to obscure annoying/inconvenient
verbiage
in the form).  Anyway, lots of users wanted WYSIWYG input because they
had
been filling the paper versions of these forms out by hand for years so
they were familiar with it.

We tried to use the Acrobat forms feature as a WYSIWYG replacement for
the
HTML forms, but at the time (Acrobat 3/4 timeperiod) the user's input
went
straight into the PDF with no convenient way to extract it, and submit
sent
the entire form straight back to the server.  Not the sort of thing you
want
to do sans broadband.

Don't know if this is relevant for what you were considering it for, esp
if
the CL-PDF can parse a PDF back out again (I haven't looked at it yet
myself).
If so, and if it has, or can easily have, a sort of
extract-the-fields-and-data
into an alist or hashtable, that would be a really, really handy
feature.
Especially with a CLIM or other viewer that is decently hookable.
 
> That's a long prelude without a question yet.
> 
> In the book I browsed, they had _zero_ details; it was all about "buy
> this tool or that from Adobe."  :-(
> 
> I don't _see_ support for "user-modifyable fields" in the code base.
> Is that something you're aware of?  It would, I'd think, be a _really_
> slick idea, and macrology/CLOS could doubtless make it work pretty
> intelligently...
> --
> (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" ·@ntlug.org")
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/x.html
> The way to a man's heart is through the left ventricle.
From: Bulent Murtezaoglu
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <877kpnl2uf.fsf@nkapi.internal>
>>>>> "MP" == Michael Parker <·······@pdq.net> writes:
[...]
    MP> We tried to use the Acrobat forms feature as a WYSIWYG
    MP> replacement for the HTML forms, but at the time (Acrobat 3/4
    MP> timeperiod) the user's input went straight into the PDF with
    MP> no convenient way to extract it, and submit sent the entire
    MP> form straight back to the server.  Not the sort of thing you
    MP> want to do sans broadband. [...]

Not any more apparently.  I did a google search starting from a saved 
article here by Tim Moore mentioning FDF in conjunction with PDF and
dug these up:

http://www.planetpdf.com/mainpage.asp?WebPageID=338

and

http://www.planetpdf.com/codecuts/pdfs/fdftkovr.pdf

a cursory look led me to believe that full PDF form is no longer 
submitted.


cheers,

BM
From: Dr. Edmund Weitz
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <m3zo2j8n1x.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
Christopher Browne <········@acm.org> writes:

> One question: I was browsing bookstore today, and saw indication
> that there's a scheme for representing fields that can be filled in
> by a user using Acrobat.

Do you mean Acrobat Reader or does the user have to buy Acrobat?

Edi.

-- 

Dr. Edmund Weitz
Hamburg
Germany

The Common Lisp Cookbook
<http://agharta.de/cookbook/>
From: Kenny Tilton
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <3C6498BD.9222D1D9@nyc.rr.com>
"Dr. Edmund Weitz" wrote:
> 
> Christopher Browne <········@acm.org> writes:
> 
> > One question: I was browsing bookstore today, and saw indication
> > that there's a scheme for representing fields that can be filled in
> > by a user using Acrobat.
> 
> Do you mean Acrobat Reader or does the user have to buy Acrobat?

from http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

Adobe� Acrobat� Reader� is free software that lets
                    you view and print Adobe Portable Document Format
                    (PDF) files. With Acrobat Reader, you can also fill
in and
                    submit Adobe PDF forms online. And now Acrobat
                    Reader for mobile devices lets you view Adobe PDF
files
                    on the go.
From: Marc Battyani
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
Message-ID: <7DDFA139E62FD4E3.C82983FD319288D8.20F3A6382D7B6950@lp.airnews.net>
"Christopher Browne" <········@acm.org> wrote in message
···················@chvatal.cbbrowne.com...
> In an attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, "Marc Battyani"
<·············@fractalconcept.com> transmitted:
> > I will release 0.4 in a few minutes...
>
> Starting on CL-TeX-to-PDF probably ought to wait until 0.5 gets
> released.  I'm sure it can start before you get to version 3.141 :-).
>
> One question: I was browsing bookstore today, and saw indication that
> there's a scheme for representing fields that can be filled in by a
> user using Acrobat.  Thus, if you have a tax form in PDF form, the
> Gentle User could fill in the blanks online, and thus have things
> annotated in lovely laser-printed form, rather than (I did this today
> with a W-9 form) having to printing it off and writing things in by
> hand.
>
> That's a long prelude without a question yet.
>
> In the book I browsed, they had _zero_ details; it was all about "buy
> this tool or that from Adobe."  :-(
>
> I don't _see_ support for "user-modifyable fields" in the code base.
> Is that something you're aware of?  It would, I'd think, be a _really_
> slick idea, and macrology/CLOS could doubtless make it work pretty
> intelligently...

You can put push buttons, radio buttons, check boxes, edit boxes and combo
boxes. You can even embed JavaScript code. Accrobat Reader can then submit
the values to an URL as a HTTP GET or a POST.
It's rather easy to do. Just create classes derived from indirect-object
like font or image and then put correct values in a dictionnary object.
It's really easy and is just a RTF(PDF)M case...
I don't have the time to work on this part but I can help people working on
this.

Marc
From: Brian P Templeton
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
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"Marc Battyani" <·············@fractalconcept.com> writes:

> "Christopher Browne" <········@acm.org> wrote in message
> ···················@chvatal.cbbrowne.com...
>> In an attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, "Marc Battyani"
> <·············@fractalconcept.com> transmitted:
>> > I will release 0.4 in a few minutes...
>>
>> Starting on CL-TeX-to-PDF probably ought to wait until 0.5 gets
>> released.  I'm sure it can start before you get to version 3.141 :-).
>>
>> One question: I was browsing bookstore today, and saw indication that
>> there's a scheme for representing fields that can be filled in by a
>> user using Acrobat.  Thus, if you have a tax form in PDF form, the
>> Gentle User could fill in the blanks online, and thus have things
>> annotated in lovely laser-printed form, rather than (I did this today
>> with a W-9 form) having to printing it off and writing things in by
>> hand.
>>
>> That's a long prelude without a question yet.
>>
>> In the book I browsed, they had _zero_ details; it was all about "buy
>> this tool or that from Adobe."  :-(
>>
>> I don't _see_ support for "user-modifyable fields" in the code base.
>> Is that something you're aware of?  It would, I'd think, be a _really_
>> slick idea, and macrology/CLOS could doubtless make it work pretty
>> intelligently...
> 
> You can put push buttons, radio buttons, check boxes, edit boxes and combo
> boxes. You can even embed JavaScript code. Accrobat Reader can then submit
> the values to an URL as a HTTP GET or a POST.
Eww. JavaScript. It looks like Adobe decided that a programming
language was needed after all... paper-emulating formats that happen
to be or include programming languages? Now that sounds *very*
familiar...

You could start with Luke Gorrie's Scheme in JavaScript interpreter,
and make a full CL in JavaScript interpreter. Then embed CL-PDF in a
PDF document. :)

> It's rather easy to do. Just create classes derived from indirect-object
> like font or image and then put correct values in a dictionnary object.
> It's really easy and is just a RTF(PDF)M case...
> I don't have the time to work on this part but I can help people working on
> this.
> 
> Marc
> 
> 

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From: Fernando Rodr�guez
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:23:06 GMT, Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> wrote:


>I am just finishing up a MOP-less version of Cells, after that I'll give
>it a go. What's the link to CL-PDF again?
>
>Btw, how are we defining this project? CL-DTP? Should I just dash off
>all of Quark XPress this weekend? :)

I don't think so. ;-) The problem (at least for me) is the ouput format. PDF
is read-only for normal users, and I need something that the user can edit.
RTF seems pretty horrible and limited and html has no page formating
capabilities...



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From: Brian P Templeton
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
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Fernando Rodr�guez <····@ThouShallNotSpam.wanadoo.es> writes:

> On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:23:06 GMT, Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>I am just finishing up a MOP-less version of Cells, after that I'll give
>>it a go. What's the link to CL-PDF again?
>>
>>Btw, how are we defining this project? CL-DTP? Should I just dash off
>>all of Quark XPress this weekend? :)
> 
> I don't think so. ;-) The problem (at least for me) is the ouput format. PDF
> is read-only for normal users, and I need something that the user can edit.
> RTF seems pretty horrible and limited and html has no page formating
> capabilities...
> 
LaTeX?

> 
> 
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From: Paolo Amoroso
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:23:06 GMT, Kenny Tilton <·······@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> it a go. What's the link to CL-PDF again?

It's here:

  http://www.fractalconcept.com/asp/html/cl-pdf.html


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From: Stefan Schmiedl
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:26:25 +0100,
Marc Battyani <·············@fractalconcept.com> wrote:
> I've added internal stream compression to cl-pdf
> I need to know if the compressed pdf files are still readable
> 

gv and acroread on linux display them perfectly

> Here they are:
> 
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex1z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex2z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex3z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex4z.pdf
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex5z.pdf
> 
> If you have kids, give them the last one ;-)

well... printing it on A4 the bottom and right border
are cut off which makes it ... much easier .-)

s.
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From: Marc Battyani
Subject: Re: testing CL-PDF 0.4
Date: 
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"Stefan Schmiedl" <·@xss.de> wrote
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:26:25 +0100,
> Marc Battyani <·············@fractalconcept.com> wrote:
> > I've added internal stream compression to cl-pdf
> > I need to know if the compressed pdf files are still readable
> >
>
> gv and acroread on linux display them perfectly

good.

> > Here they are:
> >
> > http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex1z.pdf
> > http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex2z.pdf
> > http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex3z.pdf
> > http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex4z.pdf
> > http://www.fractalconcept.com/download/ex5z.pdf
> >
> > If you have kids, give them the last one ;-)
>
> well... printing it on A4 the bottom and right border
> are cut off which makes it ... much easier .-)

OK, I reduced it a little...

Marc