Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of this book. It is out
of print. I tried at bookfinder.com and the out of print book search
with Barnes & Noble with no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jeff Keil
········@yahoo.com (Jeffrey Keil) writes:
> Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of this book. It is out
> of print. I tried at bookfinder.com and the out of print book search
> with Barnes & Noble with no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
Paul Graham has a web page that lists people who are interested in
finding the book. You can write to P.G. to get on the page. See his
website:
http://www.paulgraham.com/faq.html
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> On 8 Nov 2001 10:06:58 -0800, ········@yahoo.com (Jeffrey Keil) wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of this book. It is out
> >of print. I tried at bookfinder.com and the out of print book search
> >with Barnes & Noble with no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Try abebooks.com and alibris.com
Searching for it at those sites doesn't turn anything up. Is it
there?
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> Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of this book. It is out
> of print. I tried at bookfinder.com and the out of print book search
I got mine recently from amazon.co.uk (also heard of several other
people getting it from there). Note that even though amazon.co.uk may
have copies, don't think amazon.com's book-locator will find it
(didn't do for me).
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Deepak Goel wrote:
>>Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of this book. It is out
>>of print. I tried at bookfinder.com and the out of print book search
>>
>
> I got mine recently from amazon.co.uk (also heard of several other
> people getting it from there). Note that even though amazon.co.uk may
> have copies, don't think amazon.com's book-locator will find it
> (didn't do for me).
I tried to order it from the uk site but after accepting my order as a
backorder it later decided that there were no more copies. This was a
couple of months ago.
From: Eugene Wallingford
Subject: Re: "On Lisp" by Paul Graham
Date:
Message-ID: <9sgvl6$40g@news.uni.edu>
Jeffrey Keil <········@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of this book. It is out
> of print. I tried at bookfinder.com and the out of print book search
> with Barnes & Noble with no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
Yikes! Why is this book out of print? Does Prentice Hall
have any plans to do another printing? This is the finest
intro Lisp book out there right now.
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Eugene Wallingford wrote:
>
>
> Yikes! Why is this book out of print? Does Prentice Hall
> have any plans to do another printing? This is the finest
> intro Lisp book out there right now.
>
If the problem is "lack of perceived demand for another Prentice Hall
sized publishing run", it is possible today to generate real, decently
bound paperback books in arbitrarily small runs, from appropriate
electronic source material.
For example, Roger MacBride Allen is a SF author who also runs FoxAcre
Press (www.foxacre.com), a publishing company dedicated to keeping good
SF in print without requiring huge publishing runs. His company's books
are listed on the major on-line booksellers - when they get ordered, the
order gets forwarded to Lightning Source (www.lightningsource.com) and
the books are printed on-demand.
Something like this sounds ideal for On Lisp and the like.
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* Bob Bane <····@removeme.gst.com>
| Something like this sounds ideal for On Lisp and the like.
The third printing of On Lisp was performed by a 600 dpi industrial laser
printer, of a kind that was intended used for on demand publishing. I
have forgotten the details, but the person I talked to at Prentice Hall
was quite excited about it (but probably more so that anyone cared enough
to call and ask :). For unpredictable demand and small runs, it was a
good idea and significantly cheaper than offset, but the quality is not
quite so good (offset is somewhere between 1500 and 1200 dpi) and you can
actually feel the ink on the page. I have no idea why they have not
continued along this line of production.
In any case, if there is demand for this book, anyone is free to make a
call to the publisher and ask how many guaranteed sales they need to do a
new printing. There should be some business potential in this. Somebody
could make a deal with some big sales channel like Amazon.com or Barnes &
Noble and facilitate pre-ordering and make that guarantee stick. Has
this been tried? If so, why did it fail?
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Maybe the ALU should buy the rights to out-of-print Lisp books and find
a "books-on-demand" publisher for them. When Lisp takes off the ALU
could make a pretty penny. :)
kenny
clinisys
Erik Naggum wrote:
>
> * Bob Bane <····@removeme.gst.com>
> | Something like this sounds ideal for On Lisp and the like.
>
> The third printing of On Lisp was performed by a 600 dpi industrial laser
> printer, of a kind that was intended used for on demand publishing.
* Erik Naggum wrote:
> | Something like this sounds ideal for On Lisp and the like.
> The third printing of On Lisp was performed by a 600 dpi industrial laser
> printer, of a kind that was intended used for on demand publishing. I
> have forgotten the details, but the person I talked to at Prentice Hall
> was quite excited about it (but probably more so that anyone cared enough
> to call and ask :). For unpredictable demand and small runs, it was a
> good idea and significantly cheaper than offset, but the quality is not
> quite so good (offset is somewhere between 1500 and 1200 dpi) and you can
> actually feel the ink on the page. I have no idea why they have not
> continued along this line of production.
I wonder about this. One issue I think is that you have to deal with
all the costs of setting up the system to cut pages, bind it, make a
cover and so on, and these may dominate the cost for low production
runs. Of course it should now be possible to have clever small-run
printing machines which do all this by magic (for instance you could
print quite respectable covers with a photograph-printing machine, at
horrible unit cost but negligible setup cost since you don't need
plates &c), but then you have to weigh the cost of the small-run
printing setup against the number of small-run books you expect to
have to print and so on. In addition small-run stuff is non-trivial
to distribute - publishers are set up to ship appreciable batches of
things but this doesn't work for small-run stuff.
Your point about Amazon is interesting, because Amazon *are* set up
for delivering very small batches (like 1), so a publisher could get
into bed with Amazon and ship a single batch to Amazon. But then they
probably find that their traditional channels hate them, so they have
to assume they will lose sales they would have made there. And
Amazon prpbably haven't completely sorted out the delivery issue
either - I think that one of the nasty shocks that hurt a lot of the
more credible dot-coms like Amazon was that fulfillment costs were
hard to get as low as they thought.
I'd like to see it happen though.
--tim
Here is the place my friend picked for his book, of which I have a copy
(looks perfect, hardbound too):
HTTP://www1.xlibris.com/
They pop out books one copy at a time on demand. Amazing.
kenny
clinisys
Erik Naggum <····@naggum.net> writes:
> In any case, if there is demand for this book, anyone is free to make a
> call to the publisher and ask how many guaranteed sales they need to do a
> new printing. There should be some business potential in this. Somebody
> could make a deal with some big sales channel like Amazon.com or Barnes &
> Noble and facilitate pre-ordering and make that guarantee stick. Has
> this been tried? If so, why did it fail?
I think Amazon is actually trying something like this. Go to
www.amazon.com and search for ``Blow Up'' in DVD's, for instance.
Don't know if they ever succeeded, though.
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Eugene Wallingford <········@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> writes:
> Jeffrey Keil <········@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of this book. It is out
> > of print. I tried at bookfinder.com and the out of print book search
> > with Barnes & Noble with no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Yikes! Why is this book out of print? Does Prentice Hall
> have any plans to do another printing? This is the finest
> intro Lisp book out there right now.
What on earth are you talking about? It's definitely not an intro
Lisp book, it's one step up from there. If it were an intro book
(like "ANSI Common Lisp"), it would still be in print (I feel
justified in asserting this because the same author's intro book is in
print). It is a good book on macros, though, yes, but I couldn't let
that go any more than I could let "The Art of the Meta-Object Protocol
is one of the finest intro Lisp books out there" go by without
comment.
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Jeffrey Keil 2001-11-08T18:06:58Z:
> Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of this book. It is out
> of print. I tried at bookfinder.com and the out of print book search
> with Barnes & Noble with no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
After reading a lot of this kind of posts here I was very surprised
when I got On Lisp from BOL <URL:http://www.bol.com/index.html>.
I don't know about their current situation.
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