From: Tim Lavoie
Subject: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <AXyJ6.3117$O7.65168@news1.mts.net>
Hello all,

I've been tinkering on my own for a little while with Lisp, and find that I
do like it. While I do like my current job and employer, I am curious about
where I might use Lisp professionally. There's certainly no Lisp where I'm
working now, but scanning regional job newsgroups etc. finds little except
for academic use on other folks' resumes, or the odd bit of CAD-related
AutoLisp. 

I'm in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, but would be interested in whatever
Lisp-job site info is out there. 

  Thanks,
  Tim

-- 
"Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good person is a
little like expecting the bull not to attack you because you are a
vegetarian." - Dennis Wholey 

From: ········@hex.net
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <erzJ6.5118$oa2.113704@news6.giganews.com>
········@spamcop.net (Tim Lavoie) writes:
> I've been tinkering on my own for a little while with Lisp, and find
> that I do like it. While I do like my current job and employer, I am
> curious about where I might use Lisp professionally. There's
> certainly no Lisp where I'm working now, but scanning regional job
> newsgroups etc. finds little except for academic use on other folks'
> resumes, or the odd bit of CAD-related AutoLisp.

> I'm in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, but would be interested in
> whatever Lisp-job site info is out there.

Well, for a somewhat-analagous-location, there's a company that hires
Lisp folk in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  [Tulsa is fairly remote, fairly
central, and has some spectacular extremes of weather.  Giant hail and
tornados are probably as hazardous to peoples' enjoyment as is the
wind tunnel in the middle of "Winterpeg."]
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From: Michael Livshin
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <s3y9s9cexp.fsf@yahoo.com.cmm>
········@hex.net writes:

> > I'm in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, but would be interested in
> > whatever Lisp-job site info is out there.
> 
> Well, for a somewhat-analagous-location, there's a company that hires
> Lisp folk in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  [Tulsa is fairly remote, fairly
> central, and has some spectacular extremes of weather.  Giant hail and
> tornados are probably as hazardous to peoples' enjoyment as is the
> wind tunnel in the middle of "Winterpeg."]

judging by the participants on this very forum, the most Lisp-friendly
place in the world seems to be Norway.  it's also pretty cold there.

I wonder if there's a correlation? ;)

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From: Hartmann Schaffer
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <slrn9fe9vl.b53.hs@paradise.nirvananet>
In article <··············@yahoo.com.cmm>, Michael Livshin wrote:
> ...
>judging by the participants on this very forum, the most Lisp-friendly
>place in the world seems to be Norway.  it's also pretty cold there.

you seem never to have been there.  most (all?) of the west cost is ice
free year round, and afaik both bergen and trondheim deal with snow just
like victoria or san francisco

-- 

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From: Evan Prodromou
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <87oft3n1av.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>
>>>>> "HS" == Hartmann Schaffer <··@paradise.nirvananet> writes:

    >> ...  judging by the participants on this very forum, the most
    >> Lisp-friendly place in the world seems to be Norway.  it's also
    >> pretty cold there.

    HS> you seem never to have been there.  most (all?) of the west
    HS> cost is ice free year round, and afaik both bergen and
    HS> trondheim deal with snow just like victoria or san francisco

Uh... we haven't had snow on the ground here (SF) since 1974.

~ESP

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From: Geoff Summerhayes
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <tfin0vlql17ta5@corp.supernews.com>
"Evan Prodromou" <····@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
···················@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us...
> >>>>> "HS" == Hartmann Schaffer <··@paradise.nirvananet> writes:
>
>     >> ...  judging by the participants on this very forum, the most
>     >> Lisp-friendly place in the world seems to be Norway.  it's also
>     >> pretty cold there.
>
>     HS> you seem never to have been there.  most (all?) of the west
>     HS> cost is ice free year round, and afaik both bergen and
>     HS> trondheim deal with snow just like victoria or san francisco
>
> Uh... we haven't had snow on the ground here (SF) since 1974.
>

I think that's the point. More than 2 inches of the white stuff and the
entire city shuts down for a week.

Geoff
From: Stig Hemmer
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <ekvsnihhrff.fsf@proto.pvv.ntnu.no>
Michael Livshin <········@yahoo.com> writes:
> judging by the participants on this very forum, the most Lisp-friendly
> place in the world seems to be Norway.  it's also pretty cold there.
> 
> I wonder if there's a correlation? ;)

Well, consider the amount of clothing we have to use up here...  The
average Norwegian looks like this: (((((((())))))))

Need I say more?

Stig Hemmer,
Jack of a Few Trades.
From: ········@hex.net
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <RbDJ6.5568$oa2.127893@news6.giganews.com>
Stig Hemmer <····@pvv.ntnu.no> writes:
> Michael Livshin <········@yahoo.com> writes:
> > judging by the participants on this very forum, the most Lisp-friendly
> > place in the world seems to be Norway.  it's also pretty cold there.
> > 
> > I wonder if there's a correlation? ;)
> 
> Well, consider the amount of clothing we have to use up here...  The
> average Norwegian looks like this: (((((((())))))))
> 
> Need I say more?

But seeing as everyone has two hands, the set of fingernail clippings
already look like: ((((())))).  You've hardly added any extra layers
there...
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From: Tim Lavoie
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <AMTJ6.3293$O7.69917@news1.mts.net>
In article <···············@proto.pvv.ntnu.no>, Stig Hemmer wrote:
>Michael Livshin <········@yahoo.com> writes:
>> judging by the participants on this very forum, the most Lisp-friendly
>> place in the world seems to be Norway.  it's also pretty cold there.
>> 
>> I wonder if there's a correlation? ;)
>
>Well, consider the amount of clothing we have to use up here...  The
>average Norwegian looks like this: (((((((())))))))
>
>Need I say more?
>
>Stig Hemmer,
>Jack of a Few Trades.

Well, I drive a Fjord Taurus, would I still have to move? Do Norwegians code
in Lisp for defun of it? Erk. Sorry, still waiting for coffee to kick in.
:-)   

  Cheers,
  Tim

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the wire brush of enlightenment" -- Geoff Miller
From: Phil Fraering
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <877kzrmqjk.fsf@globalreach.net>
········@spamcop.net (Tim Lavoie) writes:

> In article <···············@proto.pvv.ntnu.no>, Stig Hemmer wrote:
> >Michael Livshin <········@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> judging by the participants on this very forum, the most Lisp-friendly
> >> place in the world seems to be Norway.  it's also pretty cold there.
> >> 
> >> I wonder if there's a correlation? ;)
> >
> >Well, consider the amount of clothing we have to use up here...  The
> >average Norwegian looks like this: (((((((())))))))
> >
> >Need I say more?
> >
> >Stig Hemmer,
> >Jack of a Few Trades.
> 
> Well, I drive a Fjord Taurus, would I still have to move? Do Norwegians code
> in Lisp for defun of it? Erk. Sorry, still waiting for coffee to kick in.
> :-)   

Did you hear about the lisp guru who took up a life of crime and
became a cons artist?

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···@globalreach.net     a hot, sunny day. It's never really caught on in
                        the UK, probably because the last time we had a
			hot, sunny day was back in 1957." - Tom Holt
			
From: Tim Lavoie
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <wbgK6.3673$O7.74354@news1.mts.net>
In article <··············@globalreach.net>, Phil Fraering wrote:
>Did you hear about the lisp guru who took up a life of crime and
>became a cons artist?

Boo... Hiss... I like it! The only problem (IMHO) with puns is that like
eating peanuts, it's hard to stop once on a roll. Which gives "cons artist"
a whole new meaning too. 

  Later,
  Tim

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that the car salesman knows he's lying.
From: Cesar Crusius
Subject: Re: Where (geographically) is Lisp?
Date: 
Message-ID: <9d81d5$a0j$3@nntp.Stanford.EDU>
In article <·····················@news6.giganews.com>, ········@hex.net wrote:
> ········@spamcop.net (Tim Lavoie) writes:
> > I've been tinkering on my own for a little while with Lisp, and find
> > that I do like it. While I do like my current job and employer, I am
> > curious about where I might use Lisp professionally. There's
> > certainly no Lisp where I'm working now, but scanning regional job
> > newsgroups etc. finds little except for academic use on other folks'
> > resumes, or the odd bit of CAD-related AutoLisp.
> 
> > I'm in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, but would be interested in
> > whatever Lisp-job site info is out there.
> 
> Well, for a somewhat-analagous-location, there's a company that hires
> Lisp folk in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  [Tulsa is fairly remote, fairly
> central, and has some spectacular extremes of weather.  Giant hail and
> tornados are probably as hazardous to peoples' enjoyment as is the
> wind tunnel in the middle of "Winterpeg."]

"Lisp" jobs abound in analog/digital circuit design because Cadence
(the main EDA tool provider, some sort of Microsoft of the area)
created some sort of beast called 'skill', which is a mix of lisp and
C. Lisp lovers, stay away from that!

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Loses both and deserves neither