From: R. Giuly
Subject: lisp implementation with good simple gui?
Date: 
Message-ID: <3AB04D84.1721EA43@hotmail.com>
I want a Lisp implementation with nice gui capabilities and I don't want
to pay for it (well if was under 200, I might, but that seems out of the
question). Specifically, I want to work on an experimental program that
is a visual tool for building programs. 

After considering all I could think of (from GARNET to Kawa), I decided
on Lispworks from xanalys. If anybody thinks this is a terrible choice
please let me know. Otherwise I'll assume it's okay.


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Richard Giuly

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From: Kent M Pitman
Subject: Re: lisp implementation with good simple gui?
Date: 
Message-ID: <sfw66hbr206.fsf@world.std.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:05:08 -0500
> From: "R. Giuly" <·········@hotmail.com>
> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta GA, USA
>
> I want a Lisp implementation with nice gui capabilities and I don't want
> to pay for it (well if was under 200, I might, but that seems out of the
> question).

Is it really the case that Georgia Tech doesn't have a site license to
either LispWorks or ACL?  I thought sure it had one of those at some point
in the past.  You might ask around to see if it does still.

> Specifically, I want to work on an experimental program that
> is a visual tool for building programs. 
> 
> After considering all I could think of (from GARNET to Kawa), I decided
> on Lispworks from xanalys. If anybody thinks this is a terrible choice
> please let me know. Otherwise I'll assume it's okay.

I don't see any technical problem with this approach, although if
you're using the LispWorks personal edition, you should be aware there
are heap size and time limits built in.  That may still allow you to
get some work done, but it will create a definite wall limiting how
big your projects can get.  At some point, you should upgrade to the
professional edition.
From: Martin Thornquist
Subject: Re: lisp implementation with good simple gui?
Date: 
Message-ID: <xunpufjp85y.fsf@heidrek.ifi.uio.no>
[ R. Giuly ]

> After considering all I could think of (from GARNET to Kawa), I decided
> on Lispworks from xanalys. If anybody thinks this is a terrible choice
> please let me know. Otherwise I'll assume it's okay.

I've worked a bit with CAPI, and it's pretty good; its main problem is
that the documentation is severely lacking in some respects. Xanalys
support has been very forthcoming in providing explanations and
examples of undocumented things I've needed, but I don't think they
provide that much support for the free version.

I haven't used Xanalys' CLIM implementation.

Also, are you aware of the McCLIM project? They say it's getting
usable, at least for simpler things, and it seems quite a bit of
development is going on. You can find it at

  http://www.mikemac.com/mikemac/McCLIM/index.html


Martin
-- 
"An ideal world is left as an exercise to the reader."
                                                 -Paul Graham, On Lisp