From: Friedrich Dominicus
Subject: Re: free lisp compiler for windows
Date:
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"Stefan Holder" <········@gmx.de> writes:
> Hi!
>
> Where can I get a really free Lisp Compiler and not a Trial Version for
> Windows 98?
what is your problem with a trial version?
Regards
Friedrich
Friedrich Dominicus <·····@q-software-solutions.com> wrote in message news:<··············@frown.here>...
> "Stefan Holder" <········@gmx.de> writes:
> >
> > Where can I get a really free Lisp Compiler and not a Trial Version for
> > Windows 98?
> what is your problem with a trial version?
>
I might be wrong, but I believe the problem is either limited time or
limited features. For example Allegro CL is very good, but it expires
every 30 days and the license can be renewed only six times. So after
the trial is over, he would have to rewrite (port) his programs to
other implementations or buy the full version of Allegro CL. With free
implementations you don't have to worry about that, so I myself would
prefer not very good free implementation instead of great trial
version of commercial LISP.
Regards,
rk
On 19 Jun 2001 13:29:27 -0700, ·········@gmx.net (Richard Krushelnitskiy)
wrote:
>the trial is over, he would have to rewrite (port) his programs to
>other implementations or buy the full version of Allegro CL. With free
>implementations you don't have to worry about that, so I myself would
>prefer not very good free implementation instead of great trial
>version of commercial LISP.
Lispworks is a great trial version, and it doesn't expire. How much would he
have to pay for the full version of Allegro? The Professional version of
Lispworks is $799. The average programmer earns more than that per week.
"Friedrich Dominicus" writes:
> what is your problem with a trial version?
I want to have a compiler, which I can use longer than 30 days.
Regards
Stefan
"Stefan Holder" <········@gmx.de> writes:
> "Friedrich Dominicus" writes:
>
> > what is your problem with a trial version?
>
> I want to have a compiler, which I can use longer than 30 days.
And what compiler is it that doesn't allow more than 30 days usage?
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Stefan Holder wrote:
> "Friedrich Dominicus" writes:
>
>> what is your problem with a trial version?
>
> I want to have a compiler, which I can use longer than 30 days.
I suppose you mean AllegroCL from Franz Inc.
AFAIK you can automatically fetch a new license up to a timerange of
a half year. some people here mentioned that it is no problem to get
alternative or after that half year further licenses.
A nice alternative is Xanalys' LispWorks (http://www.xanalys.com), which is
available for Windows too. There are no such time restrictions like in ACL
but the heapspace is limited and image dumping and application delivery is
disabled.
Then there's Corman Lisp which not as complete like the above, but
according to others a good system. You can download a non-restricted version
at http://www.corman.net. This compiler is free for non-commercial usage.
A GPLed bytecode compiler with amazingly small imagesize is CLISP
(http://clisp.sf.net)
AFAIK it is possible to compile GCL (GNU Common Lisp) under Windows. This
compiler uses the GCC as backend. GCL is AFAIK not very ANSI-CL conform.
There are maybe others that work maybe with Windows (ECLS?)
ciao.
Jochen
>>>>> "JS" == Jochen Schmidt <···@dataheaven.de> writes:
JS> AFAIK it is possible to compile GCL (GNU Common Lisp) under
JS> Windows. This compiler uses the GCC as backend. GCL is AFAIK
JS> not very ANSI-CL conform.
Why do people keep saying this? Except for CLOS, GCL seems to me to be
very good with ANSI Common Lisp.
I'd be interested in seeing some kind of test suite for ANSI
conformance, just to see where GCL supposedly falls down.
~ESP
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Evan Prodromou <····@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> writes:
> >>>>> "JS" == Jochen Schmidt <···@dataheaven.de> writes:
>
> JS> AFAIK it is possible to compile GCL (GNU Common Lisp) under
> JS> Windows. This compiler uses the GCC as backend. GCL is AFAIK
> JS> not very ANSI-CL conform.
>
> Why do people keep saying this? Except for CLOS, GCL seems to me to be
> very good with ANSI Common Lisp.
The last time I looked at the standard GCL distribution, it was fairly
close to CLTL1, but didn't include much from ANSI CL, including
- CLOS
- The Common Lisp Condition system
- DEFPACKAGE & friends
- Complex LOOP
- DEFINE-SETF-EXPANSION (the old DEFINE-SETF-METHOD is there)
There are probably many more minor incompatibilities, roughly
corresponding to those between CLTL1 and ANSI CL.
While there are extensions floating around the net for some of those
(IIRC, CLOS/PCL, DEFPACKAGE and LOOP), they don't come pre-loaded with
GCL.
This is one of the reasons I have not been encouraging people to try
GCL for some time now. Maybe the whole situation has changed since I
last looked (somewhere between 1999 and 2000), but I got the
impression that the author didn't think ANSI CL compliance should be
high on his priority list. Again maybe I'm misjudging the situation.
> I'd be interested in seeing some kind of test suite for ANSI
> conformance, just to see where GCL supposedly falls down.
IIRC then Bruno Haible of CLISP fame wrote some kind of ANSI CL test
suite at some time.
Regs, Pierre.
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From: Tim Bradshaw
Subject: Re: free lisp compiler for windows
Date:
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Evan Prodromou <····@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> writes:
>
> Why do people keep saying this? Except for CLOS, GCL seems to me to be
> very good with ANSI Common Lisp.
>
Last time I checked it didn't have defpackage, hairy loop, and I think
(defun (setf ...) ...) did not work, and I'm not sure if it had a
condition system. This + omission of CLOS is enough to make sure that
essentially no programs I write will compile.
This is not to be nasty to GCL, I just don't want think it is very
ANSI.
--tim
>>>>> "ep" == Evan Prodromou <····@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> writes:
>>>>> "pm" == Pierre R Mai <····@acm.org> writes:
ep> I'd be interested in seeing some kind of test suite for ANSI
ep> conformance, just to see where GCL supposedly falls down.
pm> IIRC then Bruno Haible of CLISP fame wrote some kind of ANSI CL
pm> test suite at some time.
also in CLOCC there is an extended version of this test suite, by
Peter Van Eynde. It depends on the condition system to trap errors, so
doesn't work at all with GCL :-)
<URL:http://clocc.sourceforge.net/>
<URL:http://www.ma.utexas.edu/gcl.html>
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"Stefan Holder" <········@gmx.de> wrote in message news:<··············@ID-10134.news.dfncis.de>...
> Hi!
>
> Where can I get a really free Lisp Compiler and not a Trial Version for
> Windows 98?
>
> Thanks,
> Stefan Holder
The Poplog common Lisp system is free with full system sources.
It works on windows and NT, but without graphics. (For full graphics,
with tools for building graphical interfaces) you would need to use
it on linux/unix. But if you don't need graphics, it may meet your
requirements.
Poplog common lisp does not include an interpeter, only an incremental
compiler (usually faster than an interpreter).
For details see:
http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/research/poplog/freepoplog.html
That site is down just now on account of flooding caused by heavy
rain last night. It should be working again by Monday. You can also
get information and downloads at
www.poplog.org
(Poplog also includes Pop-11, a lisp-like language with a more
conventional syntax, prolog and Standard ML.)
Please copy any queries about Poplog to comp.lang.pop
Best wishes
Aaron
==
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www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~axs
Aaron Sloman <············@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
: That site is down just now on account of flooding caused by heavy
: rain last night. It should be working again by Monday.
now that's really interesting. could you elaborate a bit more?
(though it belongs to comp.riscs)
flooding in the computing centre (cellar), or elsewhere impacting electricity
or the routers, ... (in the cellar)?
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