I am a former Macintosh user (AND Unix user, but this was way back...), and
being new to PCs, I am trying to download a working editor and compiler of
Common Lisp from www.lisp.org.
Now, when I tried something analogous for the Mac, I downloaded a couple of
files, decompressed them, double-clicked, the editor appeared and I was
ready to go! On the PC, I have been downloading dozens of files (namely the
folders emacs and gcl) that bear Microsoft's logotype on them (after being
extracted), but no .exe file whatsoever , just .c and .lsp etc files, that I
have no idea how to install and use.
Is there any way to install Lisp on my PC in a straighforward manner, and
have all libraries etc installed automatically, so that I can get right in
the editor somehow from within the Windows environment (or even DOS) and
start programming?
Thanks a lot.
Nick.
"Nikolaos Sahtaridis" <········@the.forthnet.gr> wrote in message news:<················@athnrd02.forthnet.gr>...
> I am a former Macintosh user (AND Unix user, but this was way back...), and
> being new to PCs, I am trying to download a working editor and compiler of
> Common Lisp from www.lisp.org.
Try Corman Lisp, or try CLISP (http://clisp.sourceforge.net), get the
Windows binary (zip file) and follow the instructions in the README
file, under Installation.
g
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:18:52 +0300, "Nikolaos Sahtaridis"
<········@the.forthnet.gr> wrote:
>Is there any way to install Lisp on my PC in a straighforward manner, and
>have all libraries etc installed automatically, so that I can get right in
>the editor somehow from within the Windows environment (or even DOS) and
>start programming?
Please try Corman Lisp, at:
http://www.corman.net/CormanLisp.html
You should also be able to find simple-to-install lite versions from Franz
and Xanalys, among others.
Roger Corman
Roger Corman wrote:
>
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:18:52 +0300, "Nikolaos Sahtaridis"
> <········@the.forthnet.gr> wrote:
>
> >Is there any way to install Lisp on my PC in a straighforward manner, and
> >have all libraries etc installed automatically, so that I can get right in
> >the editor somehow from within the Windows environment (or even DOS) and
> >start programming?
>
> Please try Corman Lisp, at:
> http://www.corman.net/CormanLisp.html
>
> You should also be able to find simple-to-install lite versions from Franz
> and Xanalys, among others.
>
> Roger Corman
... and for DOS, try
http://education.ti.com/product/software/derive/features/derivemulisp.html
It's $99 and (probably--I haven't tried it) well-implemented
user-friendly-wise.
Have fun,
Eric
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I recently found newLisp (<URL: http://www.nuevatec.com/>). It's
developed for Linux but seems to work very well on Windows (98).
BTW to other group readers: what is the common opinion on newLisp? Is
it kosher or an abomination? I've noticed some interesting
differences from other dialects, but to my untrained eye it appears to
be OK.
Peter Lewerin <·············@swipnet.se> wrote:
+---------------
| I recently found newLisp (<URL: http://www.nuevatec.com/>). It's
| developed for Linux but seems to work very well on Windows (98).
|
| BTW to other group readers: what is the common opinion on newLisp?
| Is it kosher or an abomination? I've noticed some interesting
| differences from other dialects, but to my untrained eye it appears
| to be OK.
+---------------
From just a quick look, I'd say it's closer to the "abomination" end
of the spectrum. From the user's manual:
newLISP is closer to Scheme than it is to Common LISP,
but is also different in some aspects from both dialects
of LISP. In most cases the naming and working of built in
functions is similar to ANSI Common LISP
That is, neither fish nor fowl. No matter whether you're a Scheme
prgrammer or a CL programmer (or both), you're going to be confused.
newLISP is dynamically scoped, like original LISP...
*Neither* Scheme nor Common Lisp is dynamically scoped by default
(except CL for top-level variables only). Then they add back some
"state", in things that look like &aux variables (sort of):
...local state variables in lambda expressions. ... The
update of local state variables in lambda expressions is
treated as part of an transaction, which only takes place if
the function is completed without error. Since version 6.3
the contents of local state variables is stored directly in
the lambda list.
Self-modifying code??!? What happens when you instantiate multiple
instances of one of these?
User defined functions (Lambda expressions) in newLISP
may always be manipulated like any other list expression.
So a pure interpreter, no compilation?
Like Scheme newLISP also evaluates the operator element
of a list expression.
So it's a Lisp-1? [CL isn't.]
newLISP is free of garbage collection. Only under error
conditions newLISP needs to collect unused memory.
Clearly not suited to long-running processes.
Anyway, the list of weirdnesses goes on & on & on. [And that was
just the first screenful of the manual (excluding contents/index).]
My suggestion would be to avoid it liike the plague...
-Rob
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>My suggestion would be to avoid it liike the plague...
OK, thanks for the comments. I might use it anyway as I only plan to
use it for nostalgia sessions[1]. I won't recommend it to others,
though.
Peter "Now I'm going to post about that Windows port of Java on
c.l.java" Lewerin
[1] I started my programming ``career'' trying to code in AUTOLisp
using a Pascal book as tutorial and edlin as editor. I wrote some 200
kB of source, and then they offered me money to resign. All this is
true.
"Peter Lewerin" <·············@swipnet.se> wrote in message
······················@nntpserver.swip.net...
>
>
> >My suggestion would be to avoid it liike the plague...
>
> OK, thanks for the comments. I might use it anyway as I only plan to
> use it for nostalgia sessions[1]. I won't recommend it to others,
> though.
>
I thought the feature of only supporting logical "and" while omitting
support for logical "or" ... logical "not" (according to the doc) dubious.
> Peter "Now I'm going to post about that Windows port of Java on
> c.l.java" Lewerin
>
> [1] I started my programming ``career'' trying to code in AUTOLisp
> using a Pascal book as tutorial and edlin as editor. I wrote some 200
> kB of source, and then they offered me money to resign. All this is
> true.
From: Brian P Templeton
Subject: Re: Running Lisp on Windows 98
Date:
Message-ID: <87n13zgbrp.fsf@tunes.org>
"Nikolaos Sahtaridis" <········@the.forthnet.gr> writes:
> I am a former Macintosh user (AND Unix user, but this was way back...), and
> being new to PCs, I am trying to download a working editor and compiler of
> Common Lisp from www.lisp.org.
> Now, when I tried something analogous for the Mac, I downloaded a couple of
> files, decompressed them, double-clicked, the editor appeared and I was
> ready to go! On the PC, I have been downloading dozens of files (namely the
> folders emacs and gcl) that bear Microsoft's logotype on them (after being
> extracted), but no .exe file whatsoever , just .c and .lsp etc files, that I
> have no idea how to install and use.
It looks like you downloaded the source archives, *not* the binary
distributions of these packages.
Unless you happen to have a checking account with a balance larger
than what the US's federal government can insure (to pay for MS Visual
Studio, which is an absolutely pathetic IDE anyway), you have two,
well, three options:
(1) You could install some kind of Unix, probably a GNU/Linux distro
or FreeBSD. At a first guess you are going to react to this
suggestion with extreme anger (based on my experiences with other
MS-Windows users). However, maybe you'll like the other two
better...
(2) Get Cygwin (<URL:http://www.cygnus.com/>). That allows you to run
many basic GNU utilities when you are stuck in an MS-Windows
environment. It includes the GCC compiler and the rest of the
development system (make, m4, etc) that you will need to compile
things. Maybe it includes Emacs too, but I don't know; I've never
personally used it before (my school uses Windoze but has hired
the High Priests of the Holy Cult of Security Through Obscurity to
``securitize'' its Novell+Windoze 95 network... ** snicker **),
but I have heard only positive comments about it.
(3) Look around at <URL:http://www.gnusoftware.com/>. They have GNU
software precompiled for MS-Windows boxen. This is the solution
that requires the least change to your system. I suspect this is
what you are looking for.
(blatant-plug "Debian (<URL:http://www.debian.org/>): the choice of a
GNU generation...")
(blatant-plug "TUNES (<URL:http://www.tunes.org/>): Reflective mirror
on the wall, what's the best OS of them all? TUNES, once they write
the code to go with the design!")
> Is there any way to install Lisp on my PC in a straighforward manner, and
> have all libraries etc installed automatically, so that I can get right in
> the editor somehow from within the Windows environment (or even DOS) and
> start programming?
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Nick.
>
>
hth,
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From: Friedrich Dominicus
Subject: Re: Running Lisp on Windows 98
Date:
Message-ID: <878zfdc991.fsf@frown.here>
Brian P Templeton <···@tunes.org> writes:
> "Nikolaos Sahtaridis" <········@the.forthnet.gr> writes:
>
> > I am a former Macintosh user (AND Unix user, but this was way back...), and
> > being new to PCs, I am trying to download a working editor and compiler of
> > Common Lisp from www.lisp.org.
> > Now, when I tried something analogous for the Mac, I downloaded a couple of
> > files, decompressed them, double-clicked, the editor appeared and I was
> > ready to go! On the PC, I have been downloading dozens of files (namely the
> > folders emacs and gcl) that bear Microsoft's logotype on them (after being
> > extracted), but no .exe file whatsoever , just .c and .lsp etc files, that I
> > have no idea how to install and use.
> It looks like you downloaded the source archives, *not* the binary
> distributions of these packages.
>
You can use Corman Lisp and/or LispWorks and/or AllegroCL. Well to get
you running all of the mentioned Lisp will work.
>
> (1) You could install some kind of Unix, probably a GNU/Linux distro
> or FreeBSD. At a first guess you are going to react to this
> suggestion with extreme anger (based on my experiences with other
> MS-Windows users). However, maybe you'll like the other two
> better...
Why? He want to do Lisp Programming. So why don't you tell him what
Lisps do run on Windows?
> > Is there any way to install Lisp on my PC in a straighforward manner, and
> > have all libraries etc installed automatically, so that I can get right in
> > the editor somehow from within the Windows environment (or even DOS) and
> > start programming?
Yes. Download Corman Lisp and/or LispWorks Personal and/or Allegro CL
Corman Lisp can be found here:
http://www.corman.net/index.html
LispWorks Personal
http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/downloads/lw-personal-edition.html
Allegro CL: somwhere below http://www.franz.com
Regards
Friedrich
Thanks for the information.
wei
Friedrich Dominicus wrote:
> Brian P Templeton <···@tunes.org> writes:
>
> > "Nikolaos Sahtaridis" <········@the.forthnet.gr> writes:
> >
> > > I am a former Macintosh user (AND Unix user, but this was way back...), and
> > > being new to PCs, I am trying to download a working editor and compiler of
> > > Common Lisp from www.lisp.org.
> > > Now, when I tried something analogous for the Mac, I downloaded a couple of
> > > files, decompressed them, double-clicked, the editor appeared and I was
> > > ready to go! On the PC, I have been downloading dozens of files (namely the
> > > folders emacs and gcl) that bear Microsoft's logotype on them (after being
> > > extracted), but no .exe file whatsoever , just .c and .lsp etc files, that I
> > > have no idea how to install and use.
> > It looks like you downloaded the source archives, *not* the binary
> > distributions of these packages.
> >
> You can use Corman Lisp and/or LispWorks and/or AllegroCL. Well to get
> you running all of the mentioned Lisp will work.
>
> >
> > (1) You could install some kind of Unix, probably a GNU/Linux distro
> > or FreeBSD. At a first guess you are going to react to this
> > suggestion with extreme anger (based on my experiences with other
> > MS-Windows users). However, maybe you'll like the other two
> > better...
> Why? He want to do Lisp Programming. So why don't you tell him what
> Lisps do run on Windows?
> > > Is there any way to install Lisp on my PC in a straighforward manner, and
> > > have all libraries etc installed automatically, so that I can get right in
> > > the editor somehow from within the Windows environment (or even DOS) and
> > > start programming?
> Yes. Download Corman Lisp and/or LispWorks Personal and/or Allegro CL
> Corman Lisp can be found here:
> http://www.corman.net/index.html
>
> LispWorks Personal
> http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/downloads/lw-personal-edition.html
>
> Allegro CL: somwhere below http://www.franz.com
>
> Regards
> Friedrich
> "Nikolaos Sahtaridis" <········@the.forthnet.gr> writes:
>
> > I am a former Macintosh user (AND Unix user, but this was way
> > back...), and being new to PCs, I am trying to download a working
> > editor and compiler of Common Lisp from www.lisp.org.
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