ive been interested in ai and ive been wanting to learn a language to try to
make my own simple programs. ive been studying C but then i heard about LISP
somewhere and im wondering if i can just buy a beginners book on it and a
compiler (does it use one? are they cheap / easy to find?) and start
learning on my windows 98 system. or is it something completely different?
thanks.
"Bob Greene" <···········@hotmail.com> wrote in message
···························@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
> ive been interested in ai and ive been wanting to learn a language to try
to
> make my own simple programs. ive been studying C but then i heard about
LISP
> somewhere and im wondering if i can just buy a beginners book on it and a
> compiler (does it use one? are they cheap / easy to find?) and start
> learning on my windows 98 system. or is it something completely different?
> thanks.
As far as books for beginners go, I think Paul Graham's "ANSI Common Lisp"
would be a good choice. I used Wade Hennessey's "Common Lisp" first (mostly
because I'd come across it in a used book store for $7.50) and liked it,
though it's somewhat limited on some more advanced topics (I don't think it
does much more than mention CLOS, for example).
For a free compiler for Windows, I think Allegro CL Lite 5.0.1 is hard to
beat (available at http://www.franz.com) though getting it to work with
Emacs can be a bit tricky (the documentation isn't always clear until
_after_ you know Lisp, and how Emacs' start-up file works). The included
editor works just fine, but Emacs' auto-indent and syntax-coloring is very
nice to have.
There's a _lot_ more info at http://www.lisp.org.
Larry
In article <······················@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, "Bob
Greene" <···········@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ive been interested in ai and ive been wanting to learn a language to try to
> make my own simple programs. ive been studying C but then i heard about LISP
> somewhere and im wondering if i can just buy a beginners book on it and a
> compiler (does it use one? are they cheap / easy to find?) and start
> learning on my windows 98 system. or is it something completely different?
> thanks.
>
>
>
See http://www.lisp.org for a lot information about
learning Lisp and where to get Lisp compilers - even free.
--
Rainer Joswig, Hamburg, Germany
Email: ·············@corporate-world.lisp.de
Web: http://corporate-world.lisp.de/
Hi,
I am doing a masters in AI with the open university and a good book I found
is "Common Lisp Programming for Artificial Intelligence" by Tony Hasemer and
John Domingue, here is the isbn code as well, 0 201 17579 7.
It covers a lot of the language from the every basics of int to lists going on
to functions and creating your own then on to the CLOS and even how to build a
simple Object orientated system use Lisp code primitives very good. At the end
of every chapter there are exercises with the answers in the back. the book is
450 pages.
also the book Common Lisp the Language second edition is a good reverence
hope this is a good help
Bob Greene wrote:
> ive been interested in ai and ive been wanting to learn a language to try to
> make my own simple programs. ive been studying C but then i heard about LISP
> somewhere and im wondering if i can just buy a beginners book on it and a
> compiler (does it use one? are they cheap / easy to find?) and start
> learning on my windows 98 system. or is it something completely different?
> thanks.
Michael J Short <·········@tothemoon.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>
> also the book Common Lisp the Language second edition is a good reverence
That's why I refer to it as the Lisp Bible.
Thom
--
Scientist ···@cra.com
Charles River Analytics (617) 491-3474 x574
Cambridge, MA, USA http://www.cra.com/
* "Thom" == Thom Goodsell <···@shalott.cra.com> writes:
Thom> Michael J Short <·········@tothemoon.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>> also the book Common Lisp the Language second edition is a good
>> reverence
Thom> That's why I refer to it as the Lisp Bible.
The New Testament, to be precise.
Hmm, how should we refer ANSI standard then?
--
Eugene Zaikonnikov
Eugene Zaikonnikov <······@cit.org.by> writes:
> * "Thom" == Thom Goodsell <···@shalott.cra.com> writes:
>
> Thom> Michael J Short <·········@tothemoon.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> >> also the book Common Lisp the Language second edition is a good
> >> reverence
>
> Thom> That's why I refer to it as the Lisp Bible.
>
> The New Testament, to be precise.
> Hmm, how should we refer ANSI standard then?
the Apocalypse
--
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Phone: (510) 548-3600; FAX: (510) 548-8253 ·····@Franz.COM (internet)
In article <·············@beta.franz.com>, Duane Rettig
<·····@franz.com> wrote:
> Eugene Zaikonnikov <······@cit.org.by> writes:
>
> > * "Thom" == Thom Goodsell <···@shalott.cra.com> writes:
> >
> > Thom> Michael J Short <·········@tothemoon.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> > >> also the book Common Lisp the Language second edition is a good
> > >> reverence
> >
> > Thom> That's why I refer to it as the Lisp Bible.
> >
> > The New Testament, to be precise.
> > Hmm, how should we refer ANSI standard then?
>
> the Apocalypse
I'd say it's more like Martin Luther's translation of the
New Testament. Earlier in 1517 he proclaimed 95 theses
in Wittenberg/Germany, which started the "Reformation".
--
Rainer Joswig, Hamburg, Germany
Email: ·············@corporate-world.lisp.de
Web: http://corporate-world.lisp.de/
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:10:06 +0200, Rainer Joswig
<······@corporate-world.lisp.de> wrote:
> I'd say it's more like Martin Luther's translation of the
> New Testament. Earlier in 1517 he proclaimed 95 theses
> in Wittenberg/Germany, which started the "Reformation".
Does the HyperNewTestament have an appendix with a complete list of Martin
Luther's issues? :)
Paolo
--
EncyCMUCLopedia * Extensive collection of CMU Common Lisp documentation
http://cvs2.cons.org:8000/cmucl/doc/EncyCMUCLopedia/
Eugene Zaikonnikov <······@cit.org.by> writes:
> * "Thom" == Thom Goodsell <···@shalott.cra.com> writes:
>
> Thom> Michael J Short <·········@tothemoon.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> >> also the book Common Lisp the Language second edition is a good
> >> reverence
>
> Thom> That's why I refer to it as the Lisp Bible.
>
> The New Testament, to be precise.
> Hmm, how should we refer ANSI standard then?
>
The Book of Mormon? <g,d&r>
--
Lieven Marchand <···@bewoner.dma.be>
Lambda calculus - Call us a mad club
Lieven Marchand <···@bewoner.dma.be> writes:
> Eugene Zaikonnikov <······@cit.org.by> writes:
>
> > * "Thom" == Thom Goodsell <···@shalott.cra.com> writes:
> >
> > Thom> Michael J Short <·········@tothemoon.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> > >> also the book Common Lisp the Language second edition is a good
> > >> reverence
> >
> > Thom> That's why I refer to it as the Lisp Bible.
> >
> > The New Testament, to be precise.
> > Hmm, how should we refer ANSI standard then?
> >
>
> The Book of Mormon? <g,d&r>
Come on you guys! Isn't it obvious?
"The Commonlisp Manifesto."
Parenthesizers of the world unite! You have nothing to loose but your
braces!
Cheers
--
Marco Antoniotti =============================================================
NYU Bioinformatics Group tel. +1 - 212 - 998 3488
719 Broadway 12th Floor fax +1 - 212 - 995 4122
New York, NY 10003, USA http://galt.mrl.nyu.edu/valis
Like DNA, such a language [Lisp] does not go out of style.
Paul Graham, ANSI Common Lisp
In article <···············@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>,
Marco Antoniotti <·······@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
[...]
>
> Come on you guys! Isn't it obvious?
>
> "The Commonlisp Manifesto."
>
Nah, it's way too conservative. But if it was replacing prefix with
infix, it could qualify :)
--
Eugene Zaikonnikov
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
In article <············@nnrp1.deja.com>, Eugene Zaikonnikov
<······@cit.org.by> wrote:
> In article <···············@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>,
> Marco Antoniotti <·······@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > Come on you guys! Isn't it obvious?
> >
> > "The Commonlisp Manifesto."
> >
> Nah, it's way too conservative. But if it was replacing prefix with
> infix, it could qualify :)
Hey! That sounds like a dammfine idea for Lisp! Has anyone tried it?
-- Bruce
In article <···························@news.akl.ihug.co.nz>,
Bruce Hoult <·····@hoult.org> wrote:
> In article <············@nnrp1.deja.com>, Eugene Zaikonnikov
> <······@cit.org.by> wrote:
[...]
> > Nah, it's way too conservative. But if it was replacing prefix with
> > infix, it could qualify :)
>
> Hey! That sounds like a dammfine idea for Lisp! Has anyone tried it?
Shhh! It is known that Marx, Engels and Lenin were adepts of infix
notation. Coincedence? Who knows...
--
Eugene
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Eugene Zaikonnikov <······@cit.org.by> writes:
> In article <···························@news.akl.ihug.co.nz>,
> Bruce Hoult <·····@hoult.org> wrote:
> > In article <············@nnrp1.deja.com>, Eugene Zaikonnikov
> > <······@cit.org.by> wrote:
> [...]
> > > Nah, it's way too conservative. But if it was replacing prefix with
> > > infix, it could qualify :)
> >
> > Hey! That sounds like a dammfine idea for Lisp! Has anyone tried it?
>
> Shhh! It is known that Marx, Engels and Lenin were adepts of infix
> notation. Coincedence? Who knows...
So is Bill Gates. :) OTHO one of the candidates for the US Presidency
is an adept of infixibable notationable. :)
Cheers
--
Marco Antoniotti =============================================================
NYU Bioinformatics Group tel. +1 - 212 - 998 3488
719 Broadway 12th Floor fax +1 - 212 - 995 4122
New York, NY 10003, USA http://galt.mrl.nyu.edu/valis
Like DNA, such a language [Lisp] does not go out of style.
Paul Graham, ANSI Common Lisp
give me a brake i am only trying to help the person out and talk english.
Michael J Short wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am doing a masters in AI with the open university and a good book I found
> is "Common Lisp Programming for Artificial Intelligence" by Tony Hasemer and
> John Domingue, here is the isbn code as well, 0 201 17579 7.
>
> It covers a lot of the language from the every basics of int to lists going on
> to functions and creating your own then on to the CLOS and even how to build a
> simple Object orientated system use Lisp code primitives very good. At the end
> of every chapter there are exercises with the answers in the back. the book is
> 450 pages.
>
> also the book Common Lisp the Language second edition is a good reverence
>
> hope this is a good help
>
> Bob Greene wrote:
>
> > ive been interested in ai and ive been wanting to learn a language to try to
> > make my own simple programs. ive been studying C but then i heard about LISP
> > somewhere and im wondering if i can just buy a beginners book on it and a
> > compiler (does it use one? are they cheap / easy to find?) and start
> > learning on my windows 98 system. or is it something completely different?
> > thanks.
yeah i got the answer and then some. thanks.
"Michael J Short" <·········@tothemoon.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
······················@tothemoon.freeserve.co.uk...
> give me a brake i am only trying to help the person out and talk english.
>
> Michael J Short wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am doing a masters in AI with the open university and a good book I
found
> > is "Common Lisp Programming for Artificial Intelligence" by Tony Hasemer
and
> > John Domingue, here is the isbn code as well, 0 201 17579 7.
> >
> > It covers a lot of the language from the every basics of int to lists
going on
> > to functions and creating your own then on to the CLOS and even how to
build a
> > simple Object orientated system use Lisp code primitives very good. At
the end
> > of every chapter there are exercises with the answers in the back. the
book is
> > 450 pages.
> >
> > also the book Common Lisp the Language second edition is a good
reverence
> >
> > hope this is a good help
> >
> > Bob Greene wrote:
> >
> > > ive been interested in ai and ive been wanting to learn a language to
try to
> > > make my own simple programs. ive been studying C but then i heard
about LISP
> > > somewhere and im wondering if i can just buy a beginners book on it
and a
> > > compiler (does it use one? are they cheap / easy to find?) and start
> > > learning on my windows 98 system. or is it something completely
different?
> > > thanks.
>
>
"Bob Greene" <···········@hotmail.com> writes:
> ive been interested in ai and ive been wanting to learn a language to try to
> make my own simple programs. ive been studying C but then i heard about LISP
> somewhere and im wondering if i can just buy a beginners book on it and a
> compiler (does it use one? are they cheap / easy to find?) and start
> learning on my windows 98 system. or is it something completely different?
> thanks.
Corman Lisp from http://www.corman.net is quite a nice compiler that
will work on a Windows 98 system.
For books, there are some online ones. You could try:
Successful Lisp: http://psg.com/~dlamkins/left/sl/sl.html
Basic Lisp Techniques, linked from: http://www.franz.com
Chris.
--
http://www.double.co.nz/cl