From: Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy
Subject: Resources & Compilers
Date: 
Message-ID: <8tcsg7$p6d$1@venus.telepac.pt>
Hi,
I'd like to start on LISP.
I already know Scheme and since Scheme is a dialect of Lisp I suspect that
the are similar.
I would like the best net resources, reference books and an IDE or a
compiler for windows. I need sugestions...

TIA,
Best regards,

--
Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy
http://www.pdestroy.net
ICQ UIN - 361853

--
You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm.
           - Colette

From: Rainer Joswig
Subject: Re: Resources & Compilers
Date: 
Message-ID: <joswig-80AA56.01464728102000@news.is-europe.net>
In article <············@venus.telepac.pt>, "Paulo J. Matos aka 
PDestroy" <········@netcabo.pt> wrote:

> Hi,
> I'd like to start on LISP.
> I already know Scheme and since Scheme is a dialect of Lisp I suspect that
> the are similar.
> I would like the best net resources, reference books and an IDE or a
> compiler for windows. I need sugestions...
> 
> TIA,
> Best regards,
> 
> --
> Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy
> http://www.pdestroy.net
> ICQ UIN - 361853
> 
> --
> You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm.
>            - Colette
> 
> 

See http://www.lisp.org/ .

-- 
Rainer Joswig, Hamburg, Germany
Email: ·············@corporate-world.lisp.de
Web: http://corporate-world.lisp.de/
From: Erik Naggum
Subject: Re: Resources & Compilers
Date: 
Message-ID: <3181715543639805@naggum.net>
* "Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy" <········@netcabo.pt>
| I'd like to start on LISP.

  I think that's a very good idea, as long as you mean Common Lisp.
  (It was spelled "LISP" in ancient times, like many other acronyms
  that were capitalized.  These days, it's spelled "Lisp".)

| I already know Scheme and since Scheme is a dialect of Lisp I suspect that
| the are similar.

  I think these are very bad ideas.  Knowing Scheme is harmful to
  using other languages efficiently.  Thinking that other languages
  are like Scheme is harmful to learning them.  Generally speaking.
  It depends of course on how many bad habits you picked up from
  Scheme, but it is a language that rewards the bad while trying to
  teach some good.  E.g., if you want iteration, use iteration, don't
  just _call_ it recursion and hope you have tail call merging so it
  becomes iteration.  In general, recursion is good if you don't
  traverse something in only one direction.  Scheme teaches recursion
  mostly for traversing structures in only one direction, and that's
  an incredible waste.

| I would like the best net resources, reference books and an IDE or a
| compiler for windows.  I need sugestions...

  www.alu.org

  I would personally suggest the Allegro CL environment from Franz
  Inc.  The trial edition for Windows includes the IDE, but has a few
  restrictions to force you to purchase a license instead of using it
  for commercial development.  These may get in the way at times.

#:Erik
-- 
  Does anyone remember where I parked Air Force One?
                                   -- George W. Bush
From: Paolo Amoroso
Subject: Re: Resources & Compilers
Date: 
Message-ID: <y+r6OZ9cVS8BnfHnZRcMWs1G3PoN@4ax.com>
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:35:20 +0200, "Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy"
<········@netcabo.pt> wrote:

> I'd like to start on LISP.
[...]
> I would like the best net resources, reference books and an IDE or a
> compiler for windows. I need sugestions...

Here are a few suggestions:

  ALU (Association of Lisp Users)
  http://www.alu.org/

  CLiki (Common Lisp--for Unix--resources)
  http://ww.telent.net/cliki/

  Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation
  (introductory book--may be freely downloaded)
  http://www.cs.cmu.edu:80/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/dst/www/LispBook/index.html

  Successful Lisp (introductory online) book
  http://psg.com/~dlamkins/left/sl/sl.html


Paolo
-- 
EncyCMUCLopedia * Extensive collection of CMU Common Lisp documentation
http://cvs2.cons.org:8000/cmucl/doc/EncyCMUCLopedia/
From: Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy
Subject: Re: Resources & Compilers
Date: 
Message-ID: <8tfcfl$q8d$1@venus.telepac.pt>
It may seem strange but I couldn't find a compiler for windows at
www.alu.org.
Only debuggers, editors, etc..
Where can I find a compiler for CLisp in MS Windows or DOS?

Best regards,


--
Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy
http://www.pdestroy.net
ICQ UIN - 361853

--
Gravitation cannot be held responsible by people falling in love.
           - Einstein, Albert
"Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy" <········@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
·················@venus.telepac.pt...
> Hi,
> I'd like to start on LISP.
> I already know Scheme and since Scheme is a dialect of Lisp I suspect that
> the are similar.
> I would like the best net resources, reference books and an IDE or a
> compiler for windows. I need sugestions...
>
> TIA,
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy
> http://www.pdestroy.net
> ICQ UIN - 361853
>
> --
> You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm.
>            - Colette
>
>
From: Ravensara Siobhan Travillian
Subject: Re: Resources & Compilers
Date: 
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.21.0010282156230.79386-100000@dante01.u.washington.edu>
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy wrote:

> It may seem strange but I couldn't find a compiler for windows at
> www.alu.org.
> Only debuggers, editors, etc..
> Where can I find a compiler for CLisp in MS Windows or DOS?

Hi, Paulo--

Try ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/win32/

/Raven
From: Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy
Subject: Re: Resources & Compilers
Date: 
Message-ID: <8tgqd1$8uk$1@venus.telepac.pt>
Thanks...

--
We don't fall in love with looks because looks always fade with time. We
fall in love with souls because souls are forever.
           - Anonymous
"Ravensara Siobhan Travillian" <········@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
·············································@dante01.u.washington.edu...
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Paulo J. Matos aka PDestroy wrote:
>
> > It may seem strange but I couldn't find a compiler for windows at
> > www.alu.org.
> > Only debuggers, editors, etc..
> > Where can I find a compiler for CLisp in MS Windows or DOS?
>
> Hi, Paulo--
>
> Try ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/win32/
>
> /Raven
>