Hi,
I'm looking into buying a function library as a COM object in order to
incorporate it into a LISP application. Is this a fairly smooth
process? I'm looking for comments on COM objects in general. I've
never used one and am just beginning my research into it.
Thanks,
Jason Kantz
Jason Kantz <·····@kantz.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I'm looking into buying a function library as a COM object in order to
> incorporate it into a LISP application. Is this a fairly smooth
> process? I'm looking for comments on COM objects in general. I've
> never used one and am just beginning my research into it.
Has this COM object a user interface (ActiveX control) or is it just an
applicative object?
What Lisp are you using ?
Marc Battyani
"Marc Battyani" <·············@csi.com> writes:
> Has this COM object a user interface (ActiveX control) or is it just an
> applicative object?
It's a library of bin-packing functions, no user interface.
> What Lisp are you using ?
ACL 5.01
Jason Kantz <·····@kantz.com> wrote in message
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> "Marc Battyani" <·············@csi.com> writes:
> > Has this COM object a user interface (ActiveX control) or is it just an
> > applicative object?
>
> It's a library of bin-packing functions, no user interface.
>
> > What Lisp are you using ?
>
> ACL 5.01
You should have no problems.
There are COM samples in the ACL distribution. Just look at them and at the
docs.
Look at http://www.franz.com/support/docs/5.0.1/doc/cl/ole.htm
Marc Battyani
Jason> Hi,
Jason> I'm looking into buying a function library as a COM object in order to
Jason> incorporate it into a LISP application. Is this a fairly smooth
Jason> process? I'm looking for comments on COM objects in general. I've
Jason> never used one and am just beginning my research into it.
don't know much about COM, but Franz (and maybe Harlequin?) offer CORBA
connectivity for their lisp (which I believe uses IONA's orbix underneath),
and IONA offer CORBA - COM bridging. Might be worthwile to look into it, all
the more since CORBA is vastly superior to COM, and would offer you access
into the wonderful world of Linux desktops KDE and Gnome which (to a greater
or lesser extent) use CORBA. Cheers,
Philip
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Philip Lijnzaad <········@ebi.ac.uk> writes:
> Jason> Hi,
>
> Jason> I'm looking into buying a function library as a COM object in order to
> Jason> incorporate it into a LISP application. Is this a fairly smooth
> Jason> process? I'm looking for comments on COM objects in general. I've
> Jason> never used one and am just beginning my research into it.
>
> don't know much about COM, but Franz (and maybe Harlequin?) offer CORBA
> connectivity for their lisp (which I believe uses IONA's orbix underneath),
I'm pretty sure (i.e, absolutely certain :) that there is no
trace of Orbix in the CORBA offerings for Common Lisp.
> and IONA offer CORBA - COM bridging.
This is true; there are also other vendors of CORBA/COM
bridges. These should not (ideally) be dependent on any particular
vendor's ORB.
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On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:00:55 GMT,
"Raymond" == Raymond Wiker <·······@orion.no> writes:
>> don't know much about COM, but Franz (and maybe Harlequin?) offer CORBA
>> connectivity for their lisp (which I believe uses IONA's orbix underneath),
Raymond> I'm pretty sure (i.e, absolutely certain :) that there is no
Raymond> trace of Orbix in the CORBA offerings for Common Lisp.
good! (i.e., so far i haven't been particularly impressed with iona's
products)
>> and IONA offer CORBA - COM bridging.
Raymond> This is true; there are also other vendors of CORBA/COM
Raymond> bridges. These should not (ideally) be dependent on any particular
Raymond> vendor's ORB.
absolutely!
Philip
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Jason Kantz wrote:
>I'm looking into buying a function library as a COM object in order to
>incorporate it into a LISP application. Is this a fairly smooth
>process? I'm looking for comments on COM objects in general. I've
>never used one and am just beginning my research into it.
The best is ACL (really good). see their docs on OLE. (also online)
Harlequin LW can do it as well but is not as rich,
Corman has very limited support
(on its quasi-assembler level so far only)
xlisp-stat has some.
For the others there's nothing.
Scheme's have nothing so far. AutoLISP is very fine.
Various other functional languages packages produced for Win32
(smalltalk, dylan, ml, haskell) are quite okay with their COM support.
In theory you could do everything in any LISP with a dynaloader and a
good FFI, but it is not recommended.
COM in general:
I'm currently writing a large overview about FFI's, which has also a COM
chapter. There are also some other pointers.
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/ffis.html
Error handling is only done via Exception handling which is something I
don't like that much, but since COM objects must be language and system
independent I accept it.
GC-awareness might be a problem if you write the COM part by yourself.
COM objects are not COM objects. They may support the fast custom
interfaces ("vtable", C++ style) or the slow but more generic Dispatch
Interface (late bound, passing every type as variant).
ActiveX requires only the second. (plus some other helper interfaces)
However, most libraries should provide both: That's called
"dualinterface".
The best book about COM is online: Craig Brockschmidt, "Inside OLE"
somewhere at the MS server, MSDN section:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/books/inole/S10AA.HTM
There's also a good egroup about COM development but I forgot its name.
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Reini Urban
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Reini Urban <······@x-ray.at> wrote in message
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> Jason Kantz wrote:
> >I'm looking into buying a function library as a COM object in order to
> >incorporate it into a LISP application. Is this a fairly smooth
> >process? I'm looking for comments on COM objects in general. I've
> >never used one and am just beginning my research into it.
>
> The best is ACL (really good). see their docs on OLE. (also online)
> Harlequin LW can do it as well but is not as rich,
Where have you found COM functions in LispWorks ?
> I'm currently writing a large overview about FFI's, which has also a COM
> chapter. There are also some other pointers.
> http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/ffis.html
Very useful.
Please note that the Harlequin URL are broken they are called Xanalys now
www.xanalys.com
Also the Python COM layer is dynamic:
import win32com.client.dynamic
iexplore = win32com.client.dynamic.Dispatch("InternetExplorer.Application")
iexplore.Navigate('www.xanalys.com')
Cute no?
Marc Battyani
Marc Battyani wrote:
>Reini Urban <······@x-ray.at> wrote in message
>> The best is ACL (really good). see their docs on OLE. (also online)
>> Harlequin LW can do it as well but is not as rich,
>
>Where have you found COM functions in LispWorks ?
>
>> I'm currently writing a large overview about FFI's, which has also a COM
>> chapter. There are also some other pointers.
>> http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/ffis.html
>
>Very useful.
>
>Please note that the Harlequin URL are broken they are called Xanalys now
>www.xanalys.com
>
>Also the Python COM layer is dynamic:
>
>import win32com.client.dynamic
>iexplore = win32com.client.dynamic.Dispatch("InternetExplorer.Application")
>iexplore.Navigate('www.xanalys.com')
>
>Cute no?
thanks for the corrections.
My perl and python sections are not finished yet. python should be the
example of the massive wrapper approach, because they coded everything
in c++ extensions instead of using their higher and dynamic python
language. (which would make things MUCH easier and portable)
but of course it is dynamic and it is even one of the first and best COM
packages. They had the very first dynamic COM server to my knowledge,
back in 1996.
LWW COM: hmm... where did I see this? I was wrong.
maybe from the announcement for the next version?
I deleted my personal edition recently.
LWW 4.1 indeed has only CORBA and DDE bindings, no COM.
Speaking of Harlequin: did anybody see that they brought up some new
nice webdocuments:
1998-99 Common Lisp - Myths and Legends
http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/products/myths&legends.html
1999-2000 Nick Levine's CL course at anglia with full-text lecture
notes: this is great!
http://beta.csd.anglia.ac.uk/~nlevine/declarative/
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······@x-ray.at (Reini Urban) writes:
> LWW COM: hmm... where did I see this? I was wrong.
> maybe from the announcement for the next version?
> I deleted my personal edition recently.
> LWW 4.1 indeed has only CORBA and DDE bindings, no COM.
Maybe it was Harlequin Dylan (now Functional Developer at www.o-fun.com)
that had all the COM stuff? I seem to remember reading an article on
COM/CORBA stuff in ACM Communications from the Harlequin folks, centered
mostly around Dylan, IIRC.
> Speaking of Harlequin: did anybody see that they brought up some new
> nice webdocuments:
> 1998-99 Common Lisp - Myths and Legends
> http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/products/myths&legends.html
>
> 1999-2000 Nick Levine's CL course at anglia with full-text lecture
> notes: this is great!
> http://beta.csd.anglia.ac.uk/~nlevine/declarative/
No, but thanks for the hint ... :)
Regs, Pierre.
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