From: Janos Blazi
Subject: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <38bbbf1d_2@goliath.newsfeeds.com>
Today I received the following private message on my private address from
Erik Naggum: (I never wrote to his private address):

"
  I'm overjoyed that I actually hurt your feelings.  I wish I could hurt
  your feelings so much you would commit suicide.  sadly, this has failed,
  and now the world has to live with an amoral creep who considers himself
  above ethics and reproach.  you are clearly a psychotic monster, beset
  with hatred and malice towards everything that hurts you, and you're so
  out of touch with reality to begin with that your fantasy world is taking
  over, and hence it is in fact impossible to hurt you, any more than you
  constantly hurt yourself.  this is also why you have to imagine what my
  day is like, and post your literally insane imagination.  any remnant of
  sanity would have held you back from such levels of psychotic behavior.

  you should consult a psychiatric ward and have yourself committed before
  you actually kill someone in your deranged, psychotic state, filled as
  you are with hatred and malice towards people who didn't stop hurting you
  when you screamed "please don't hurt me" to yourself, only.

  the only thing I regret is that I didn't see your fantastic stupidity as
  a result of your shattered psychology -- it's fairly uncommon to be so
  fucking retarded because of a psychological problem, but clearly, you
  have been immensely stupid all your life, and now that I come and hurt
  your stupid feelings, so you turn on me like a vicious and mad dog -- and
  that's exactly what you are to me: a mad dog in need of a bullet through
  his sick brain before he actually manages to hurt someone or himself.

  do the world a huge favor and commit suicide tonight.

#:Erik
"

Janos Blazi




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From: Erik Naggum
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <3160825893412027@naggum.no>
* "Janos Blazi" <······@netsurf.de>
| Today I received the following private message on my private address from
| Erik Naggum: (I never wrote to his private address):

  yes, you did, you lying moron.  your last message posted here was mailed
  to me, too, which I *EXPRESSLY* do not want anyone to do, and I did not
  see it as news until many hours later.  it arrived here 14:10 UTC, and my
  response was mailed back 14:49 UTC, but not delivered to your cretinous
  mail system until 22:02 UTC because it's a piece of shit, like you are.

  I most certainly would not mail a creep like you if you had not invaded
  my mailbox, which I certainly took to be a new low on your part, however
  much that actually requires on your part.

  it does not surprise me that you don't know what you're doing or are
  lying through your teeth about not sending me private mail, whichever is
  more telling about you.

  but _do_ take my advice.  mother earth needs break and the nutrients you
  block from recycling by staying alive and polluting the whole place.

#:Erik

Feb 28 14:10:55 arcana sendmail[14012]: AA14012: message-id=<······························@mycomputer>
Feb 28 14:10:55 arcana sendmail[14012]: AA14012: from=<······@netsurf.de>, size=7692, class=0, received from smtp-ham-1.netsurf.de
Feb 28 14:11:02 arcana sendmail[14014]: AA14012: to=<····@naggum.no>, delay=00:00:07, stat=Sent, drop=/home/erik/bin/acceptmail
From: Janos Blazi
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <38bbeff6_3@goliath.newsfeeds.com>
Erik Naggum <····@naggum.no> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
················@naggum.no...
> * "Janos Blazi" <······@netsurf.de>
> | Today I received the following private message on my private address
from
> | Erik Naggum: (I never wrote to his private address):
>
>   yes, you did, you lying moron.  your last message posted here was mailed
>   to me, too, which I *EXPRESSLY* do not want anyone to do

Erik, I apologize for that. Of course I believe you. Please take my word of
honor that I did not do it intentionally. I completely agree with you: It is
bad style. So I am sorry and I do not understand how this could happen. So I
did not lie, I only said something that was not true. Again sorry.
Of course I did not like the content of you message.

Janos Blazi

and I did not
>   see it as news until many hours later.  it arrived here 14:10 UTC, and
my
>   response was mailed back 14:49 UTC, but not delivered to your cretinous
>   mail system until 22:02 UTC because it's a piece of shit, like you are.
>
>   I most certainly would not mail a creep like you if you had not invaded
>   my mailbox, which I certainly took to be a new low on your part, however
>   much that actually requires on your part.
>
>   it does not surprise me that you don't know what you're doing or are
>   lying through your teeth about not sending me private mail, whichever is
>   more telling about you.
>
>   but _do_ take my advice.  mother earth needs break and the nutrients you
>   block from recycling by staying alive and polluting the whole place.
>
> #:Erik
>
> Feb 28 14:10:55 arcana sendmail[14012]: AA14012:
message-id=<······························@mycomputer>
> Feb 28 14:10:55 arcana sendmail[14012]: AA14012: from=<······@netsurf.de>,
size=7692, class=0, received from smtp-ham-1.netsurf.de
> Feb 28 14:11:02 arcana sendmail[14014]: AA14012: to=<····@naggum.no>,
delay=00:00:07, stat=Sent, drop=/home/erik/bin/acceptmail




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From: Erik Naggum
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <3160831734652382@naggum.no>
* "Janos Blazi" <······@netsurf.de>
| Erik, I apologize for that.  Of course I believe you.  Please take my word of
| honor that I did not do it intentionally.

  that is by now irrelevant, since you posted my reply to you.  no apology
  can ever be accepted from people who take revenge first and apologize
  later, since they will repeat the act of revenge the next time, too.
  viz, your posting it here _was_ intentional and typical of your blind and
  phenomenally stupid destructiveness.  there is no way you can make amends
  for this action, but you can realize that you are so stupid you must shut
  up to avoid getting into even more trouble.  can you do that?  NOW?

| Of course I did not like the content of you message.

  you're a blathering idiot, Janos.  that you don't like something or feel
  hurt is not and never can be a carte blanche for the kind of braindamaged
  and uncontrollable destructiveness that is the core of your personality.

  and your word of _honor_?  who the hell do you think you are fooling?
  you're the least _honorable_ person I haver ever had the displeasure to
  deal with.  a worse hypocrite than you has never posted anywhere I have
  read anything.  a purported fan of _tolerance_ who is so mind-bogglingly
  irrational in his destructiveness when it is precisely his tolerance that
  is demanded can have no honor at all, because he only wants _others_ to
  tolerate his vile actions.  you can't change this by now, Janos.  we all
  know exactly what you're made of, now, and all you can do is put a lid on
  it, and die with the shame of knowing that you have been fully exposed.

#:Erik
From: Coby Beck
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <951861540103@NewsSIEVE.cs.bonn.edu>
Congratulations.

I have read many threads before filled with disgusting displays of cruelty
that would be childish if not for its focus and conviction.  And I have seen
two people bicker endlessly with the pretense of righteousness and firm
belief in their own intellectual and moral superiority plenty of times.  But
i have never before been made physically ill by such a spectacle.

This is a new low and a sad day.

Coby

Erik Naggum <····@naggum.no> wrote in message
·····················@naggum.no...
> * "Janos Blazi" <······@netsurf.de>
> | Erik, I apologize for that.  Of course I believe you.  Please take my
word of
> | honor that I did not do it intentionally.
>
>   that is by now irrelevant, since you posted my reply to you.  no apology
>   can ever be accepted from people who take revenge first and apologize
>   later, since they will repeat the act of revenge the next time, too.
>   viz, your posting it here _was_ intentional and typical of your blind
and
>   phenomenally stupid destructiveness.  there is no way you can make
amends
>   for this action, but you can realize that you are so stupid you must
shut
>   up to avoid getting into even more trouble.  can you do that?  NOW?
>
> | Of course I did not like the content of you message.
>
>   you're a blathering idiot, Janos.  that you don't like something or feel
>   hurt is not and never can be a carte blanche for the kind of
braindamaged
>   and uncontrollable destructiveness that is the core of your personality.
>
>   and your word of _honor_?  who the hell do you think you are fooling?
>   you're the least _honorable_ person I haver ever had the displeasure to
>   deal with.  a worse hypocrite than you has never posted anywhere I have
>   read anything.  a purported fan of _tolerance_ who is so mind-bogglingly
>   irrational in his destructiveness when it is precisely his tolerance
that
>   is demanded can have no honor at all, because he only wants _others_ to
>   tolerate his vile actions.  you can't change this by now, Janos.  we all
>   know exactly what you're made of, now, and all you can do is put a lid
on
>   it, and die with the shame of knowing that you have been fully exposed.
>
> #:Erik
From: Fernando
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <u6tpbs8vjakvfnprii9mun8anrf3ktj1aq@4ax.com>
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:59:43 -0800, "Coby Beck" <·····@mercury.bc.ca>
wrote:


>>   tolerate his vile actions.  you can't change this by now, Janos.  we all
>>   know exactly what you're made of, now, and all you can do is put a lid
>on
>>   it, and die with the shame of knowing that you have been fully exposed.
>>
>> #:Erik

	Talk about being exposed...




//-----------------------------------------------
//	Fernando Rodriguez Romero
//
//	frr at mindless dot com
//------------------------------------------------
From: Christopher Browne
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <Sj_u4.63844$Cn1.1315423@news5.giganews.com>
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Erik Naggum would say:
>* "Janos Blazi" <······@netsurf.de>
>| Erik, I apologize for that.  Of course I believe you.  Please take my word of
>| honor that I did not do it intentionally.
>
>  that is by now irrelevant, since you posted my reply to you.  no apology
>  can ever be accepted from people who take revenge first and apologize
>  later, since they will repeat the act of revenge the next time, too.
>  viz, your posting it here _was_ intentional and typical of your blind and
>  phenomenally stupid destructiveness.  there is no way you can make amends
>  for this action, but you can realize that you are so stupid you must shut
>  up to avoid getting into even more trouble.  can you do that?  NOW?

. o O ( Is this topical material about Lisp? )

Nope, this has nothing to do with Lisp.

>| Of course I did not like the content of you message.
>
>  you're a blathering idiot, Janos.  that you don't like something or
>  feel hurt is not and never can be a carte blanche for the kind of
>  braindamaged and uncontrollable destructiveness that is the core of
>  your personality. 

Your apparent need to call him a "blathering idiot" does not reflect
well on you.

The vehemence of your flames is quite impressive; I find it remarkable
that you find it worthwhile to put such effort into writing such
eloquently nasty comments.

The fact that Janos posted private email in public may represent a
breach of nettiquite; the degree of nastiness that you display both
here and in the private email is simply uncalled for.  The term
"phenomenally stupid destructiveness" comes to mind.

Feel free to encourage everyone to (plonk 'Janos), but when you do so
in such an acridly scathing manner, it encourages to (plonk #erik) as well.
-- 
There are  three kinds of people:  those who can count,  and those who
can't.
········@hex.net- <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lisp.html>
From: Erik Naggum
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <3160863795303970@naggum.no>
* Christopher Browne
| . o O ( Is this topical material about Lisp? )
| 
| Nope, this has nothing to do with Lisp.

  this not news to anyone but Janos Blazi.  could you help him understand?

#:Erik
From: Raffael Cavallaro
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <raffael-AA24FC.00211501032000@news.ne.mediaone.net>
In article <·······················@news5.giganews.com>, 
········@hex.net wrote:

[describing Erik's email to, and posts about Janos]

> the degree of nastiness that you display both
> here and in the private email is simply uncalled for.  The term
> "phenomenally stupid destructiveness" comes to mind.



See, and I would have thought that

> I'm overjoyed that I actually hurt your feelings.  I wish I could hurt
> your feelings so much you would commit suicide.


and

>do the world a huge favor and commit suicide tonight.

stand out as much more salient examples of  Erik's nastiness than 
"pheonomenally stupid destructiveness."

Ralph

-- 

Raffael Cavallaro, Ph.D.
·······@mediaone.net
From: Christopher Browne
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <slrn8bq957.f7g.cbbrowne@knuth.brownes.org>
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Raffael Cavallaro would say:
>In article <·······················@news5.giganews.com>, 
>········@hex.net wrote:
>[describing Erik's email to, and posts about Janos]
>> the degree of nastiness that you display both
>> here and in the private email is simply uncalled for.  The term
>> "phenomenally stupid destructiveness" comes to mind.
>
>See, and I would have thought that
 [suicidal suggestions elided]
>stand out as much more salient examples of  Erik's nastiness than 
>"pheonomenally stupid destructiveness."

I thought it appropriate not to even quote that material, as
  a) It had been private email, and thus not really public material;
  b) It's not necessary to take the *nastiest* stuff when there's
     ample amounts of slightly less mean material.

Again, this gets away from the proper discussion matter for this
newsgroup...
-- 
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Some poems rhyme
But this one doesn't. 
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From: Stig Hemmer
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <ekvln3wyuin.fsf@verden.pvv.ntnu.no>
"Janos Blazi" <······@netsurf.de> writes:
> Today I received the following private message on my private address from
> Erik Naggum: (I never wrote to his private address):
...

Ouch.

For your information, Naggums ISP is Eunet, and ·····@EUNET.NO
might be a good place to inform of this piece of nastiness.

Stig Hemmer,
Jack of a Few Trades.
From: Erik Naggum
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <3161358055042645@naggum.no>
* Stig Hemmer <····@verden.pvv.ntnu.no>
| Ouch.

  why are you showing us Touched by an Angel episodes in comp.lang.lisp,
  parading like that with your cheap retail halo like they aren't a dime a
  dozen?  don't you have any better soul to save, such as your own?

  I'm so ... _intrigued_ by the evolutionary refuse that keeps crawling out
  of the wood-work to share their putrid mind with the world.  it's amazing!

#:Erik
From: Xah
Subject: Re: Private message received from EN
Date: 
Message-ID: <B4E9F5A7.6FD1%xah@xahlee.org>
Stig Hemmer <····@verden.pvv.ntnu.no> wrote
>For your information, Naggums ISP is ...
>might be a good place to inform of this piece of nastiness.
>
>Stig Hemmer,
>Jack of a Few Trades.


Dear Stig Hemmer,

I have 2 questions for you:

1. if i call you up and told you that i'm going to shove an atom bomb in
your ass, would you complain to my phone company?

2. If you caught a glimpse of a fierce love making in the dark, would you
rush to a radio station and broadcast on your behalf about how to prosecute
the guy for raping?

Stig Jackass of a Few Trades, your despicableness is being an opportunistic
hypocritical hero. Your vile crime, is opening your ignorant pie-hole that
results in subtle encouragement of stupid policies to our society.

If you want to be a real hero, you can do your private investigation on Erik
Naggum vs Janos Blazi and report to the department of international justice.
If you want to be a bleeding-heart, you can send an electronic OR snail
letter to Erik to voice your concern, and similarly call up Janos for
conference. If you want to be a gadfly like me, you need to do a few years
of thinking and reading, and be responsible in what you are saying.

Next time, i'll ram a pipe down your throat and pull it out your ass and
hang you dry; very figuratively speaking. If you don't wish that to happen,
then you can exercise control and not let ignorant and irresponsible shit
fly out of your mouth. It is better to mind your own fucking business than
mindlessly screwing up everyone's business.

 Xah
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 http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html