From: Jonathan
Subject: Database storage of CLOS objects?
Date: 
Message-ID: <1ha7OOSJMm5AHB7Y=jK1aw27mFKt@4ax.com>
Hi,

I am implementing a system that requires the storage of CLOS objects
in a database. I am interested in hearing how this problem has been
approached by others including the use of a traditional RDBMS instead
of an object oriented one.

Thanks,
Jonathan

From: Eliot Miranda
Subject: Re: Database storage of CLOS objects?
Date: 
Message-ID: <38BB5B4C.8078D5C8@pacbell.net>
Jonathan wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am implementing a system that requires the storage of CLOS objects
> in a database. I am interested in hearing how this problem has been
> approached by others including the use of a traditional RDBMS instead
> of an object oriented one.

You might take a look at various object-relational mapping tools in
Smalltalk and elsewhere.  e.g. VisualWorks Smalltalk includes a package
called the Lens which automatically maps objects to tables and vice versa.
in Oracle and Sybase relational DBMS  [free version available from
http://www.parcplace.com/vwnc; you want VisualWorks 5i]  The Object People
produce a comparable product called TopLink which they provide for various
Smalltalk dialects and for Java [http://www.objectpeople.com/].


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Eliot Miranda              Smalltalk - Scene not herd
From: Christopher R. Barry
Subject: Re: Database storage of CLOS objects?
Date: 
Message-ID: <873dqcitrl.fsf@2xtreme.net>
Jonathan <··@spam.com> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> I am implementing a system that requires the storage of CLOS objects
> in a database. I am interested in hearing how this problem has been
> approached by others including the use of a traditional RDBMS instead
> of an object oriented one.

I've never heard of anyone using a free Lisp to do this type of thing.
Franz and Harlequin appear to offer products with this capability, and 
you may want to contact a salesperson.

Christopher
From: Jason Trenouth
Subject: Re: Database storage of CLOS objects?
Date: 
Message-ID: <Kpm7ONLAuerOz6fXp3cC7qalPhSi@4ax.com>
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:03:17 -0800, Jonathan <··@spam.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am implementing a system that requires the storage of CLOS objects
> in a database. I am interested in hearing how this problem has been
> approached by others including the use of a traditional RDBMS instead
> of an object oriented one.

LispWorks' Common SQL includes a CLOS/SQL interface.

	http://www.harlequin.com/products/st/lisp/	

__Jason
From: Chris Double
Subject: Re: Database storage of CLOS objects?
Date: 
Message-ID: <wk1z5wl38f.fsf@double.co.nz>
Jonathan <··@spam.com> writes:

> I am implementing a system that requires the storage of CLOS objects
> in a database. I am interested in hearing how this problem has been
> approached by others including the use of a traditional RDBMS instead
> of an object oriented one.

Have you looked at PLOB (Persistent Lisp Objects)? URL is:

http://www.lisp.de/software/plob/Welcome.html

The site also has pointers to information on other systems if I
recall.

Chris.
-- 
http://www.double.co.nz/dylan
From: Fernando
Subject: Re: Database storage of CLOS objects?
Date: 
Message-ID: <rfbnbsciupjuu6t41mhj9q5h1vhamkjdhp@4ax.com>
On 29 Feb 2000 23:20:16 +1300, Chris Double <·····@double.co.nz>
wrote:

>Jonathan <··@spam.com> writes:
>
>> I am implementing a system that requires the storage of CLOS objects
>> in a database. I am interested in hearing how this problem has been
>> approached by others including the use of a traditional RDBMS instead
>> of an object oriented one.
>
>Have you looked at PLOB (Persistent Lisp Objects)? URL is:
>
>http://www.lisp.de/software/plob/Welcome.html
>
>The site also has pointers to information on other systems if I
>recall.

	There's also objectstore from www.odi.com  Franz has a
"CLOSified" version of it, and maybe Harlequin too.

	Please, let us now whatever you find, ok? O:-)

PS: This is from an email I got from ODI
---------------------------
point two companies Harlequin and Franz were doing persistence for
Lisp,
both using ObjectStore or PSE for their storage system.  I have not
heard
from either company in a year or more but 
http://www.franz.com/products/allegrostore.main.html
talks about ObjectStore
There is a http://www.Harlequin.com no mention of us or of data
management products in general.
-----------------------




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//	Fernando Rodriguez Romero
//
//	frr at mindless dot com
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From: Fernando D. Mato Mira
Subject: Re: Database storage of CLOS objects?
Date: 
Message-ID: <38BD2A9F.4B132AB7@iname.com>
Jonathan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am implementing a system that requires the storage of CLOS objects
> in a database. I am interested in hearing how this problem has been

The real thing:

http://www.ibex.ch/products/itasca.htm

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