Colleagues,
I'm implementing a kind of Lisp dialect and I've got a trouble with
funarg problem. I've read CLTL2 and got confused by how to implement
all these strange rules of scope and extent.
Can anyone advice me or point me to an information source (preferably
in Internet)? There's always a way to learn from GNU CL source code,
but I dont feel ready to ;-)
Andrey
From: Kent M Pitman
Subject: Re: Q: CL scope/extent & closures implementation
Date:
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"Andrey V. Stolyarov" <········@dataforce.net> writes:
> Colleagues,
>
> I'm implementing a kind of Lisp dialect and I've got a trouble with
> funarg problem. I've read CLTL2 and got confused by how to implement
> all these strange rules of scope and extent.
>
> Can anyone advice me or point me to an information source (preferably
> in Internet)? There's always a way to learn from GNU CL source code,
> but I dont feel ready to ;-)
You could read about how algol 60 did it, since scheme is base don that.
Or you could try to find a copy of Steele's paper "Macaroni is
better than spaghetti". It's on obscure paper but was, I think,
the original reference to doing the algol thing "right" in lisp and
was a foundational part of scheme's genesis, I think.
Or you could post specific problems you're having here and people would
probably help you. But we can't comment more specifically unless you do.
In article <···············@world.std.com>,
Kent M Pitman <······@world.std.com> wrote:
>Or you could try to find a copy of Steele's paper "Macaroni is
>better than spaghetti". It's on obscure paper but was, I think,
>the original reference to doing the algol thing "right" in lisp and
>was a foundational part of scheme's genesis, I think.
I remember reading that at UC Irvine some 20 years ago... I doubt that I
still have a copy. Is there any chance it's available on-line,
e.g. from www.ai.mit.edu? I can't seem to find it in their searchable
index.
-- Chuck
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From: Kent M Pitman
Subject: Re: Q: CL scope/extent & closures implementation
Date:
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······@best.com (Chuck Fry) writes:
> In article <···············@world.std.com>,
> Kent M Pitman <······@world.std.com> wrote:
> >Or you could try to find a copy of Steele's paper "Macaroni is
> >better than spaghetti". It's on obscure paper but was, I think,
> >the original reference to doing the algol thing "right" in lisp and
> >was a foundational part of scheme's genesis, I think.
>
> I remember reading that at UC Irvine some 20 years ago... I doubt that I
> still have a copy. Is there any chance it's available on-line,
> e.g. from www.ai.mit.edu? I can't seem to find it in their searchable
> index.
> -- Chuck
I think it was published in some obscure journal--I don't think it was
an MIT publication. That's why it's hard to find. I'm not sure I have
a copy either. I'll ask Steele.
On 28 Sep 1999 22:53:02 GMT, Chuck Fry <······@best.com> wrote:
>In article <···············@world.std.com>,
>Kent M Pitman <······@world.std.com> wrote:
>>Or you could try to find a copy of Steele's paper "Macaroni is
>>better than spaghetti". It's on obscure paper but was, I think,
>>the original reference to doing the algol thing "right" in lisp and
>>was a foundational part of scheme's genesis, I think.
>
>I remember reading that at UC Irvine some 20 years ago... I doubt that I
>still have a copy. Is there any chance it's available on-line,
>e.g. from www.ai.mit.edu? I can't seem to find it in their searchable
>index.
<http://www.cs.indiana.edu/scheme-repository/R4RS/r4rs_13.html>
[MACARONI]
Guy Lewis Steele Jr. Macaroni is better than spaghetti. In
Proceedings of the Symposium on Artificial Intelligence and
Programming Languages, pages 60--66. These proceedings were
published as a special joint issue of SIGPLAN Notices 12(8) and
SIGART Newsletter 64, August 1977.
I suspect that SIGART/ACM probably hold some rights on redistribution
of this. Knowing the issue of SIGPLAN/SIGART may be helpful in
locating how to find it in a library, as worst-case...
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On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:26:31 GMT, Kent M Pitman <······@world.std.com> wrote:
>Or you could try to find a copy of Steele's paper "Macaroni is
>better than spaghetti". It's on obscure paper but was, I think,
>the original reference to doing the algol thing "right" in lisp and
>was a foundational part of scheme's genesis, I think.
From the Revised(3) Scheme Bibliography
<http://ftp-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~jaffer/r3rs_12.html>:
* [Macaroni] Guy Lewis Steele Jr. Macaroni is better than spaghetti.
In Proceedings of the Symposium on Artificial Intelligence and
Programming Languages, pages 60--66. These proceedings were
published as a special joint issue of SIGPLAN Notices 12(8) and
SIGART Newsletter 64, August 1977.
Mark
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Real-Time Systems Laboratory
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In article <···············@world.std.com>,
Kent M Pitman <······@world.std.com> wrote:
><snip>
>You could read about how algol 60 did it, since scheme is base don that.
>
<snip>
I bet I've got a book you don't!
Algol 60 Implementation, by Randel and Russel ('62?)
:-)
David