From: al
Subject: which lisp for windows?
Date: 
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which is the best free/shareware implementation for windows nt &/or winnt?
thanks

From: Divya
Subject: Re: which lisp for windows?
Date: 
Message-ID: <7vtg7d$1de4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>
http://www.harlequin.com

I think this is good.

al <····@tig.spamsux.com.die.spammer.die.au> wrote in message
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> which is the best free/shareware implementation for windows nt &/or winnt?
> thanks
>
>
From: Janos Blazi
Subject: Re: which lisp for windows?
Date: 
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But not free.
J.B.

Divya <·····@frontiernet.net> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
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> http://www.harlequin.com
>
> I think this is good.
>
> al <····@tig.spamsux.com.die.spammer.die.au> wrote in message
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> > which is the best free/shareware implementation for windows nt &/or
winnt?
> > thanks
> >
> >
>
>
From: ··@nanofab.utdallas.edu
Subject: Re: which lisp for windows?
Date: 
Message-ID: <ueme06gq0.fsf@nanofab.utdallas.edu>
www.corman.net/CormanLisp.html

havn't really used it personally, have heard good things about it.

"Janos Blazi" <······@netsurf.de> writes:
> But not free.
> J.B.
> 
> Divya <·····@frontiernet.net> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
> ·············@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net...
> > http://www.harlequin.com
> >
> > I think this is good.
> >
> > al <····@tig.spamsux.com.die.spammer.die.au> wrote in message
> > ·················@toto.tig.com.au...
> > > which is the best free/shareware implementation for windows nt &/or
> winnt?
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
From: Shin
Subject: Re: which lisp for windows?
Date: 
Message-ID: <3827e463.8795643@news.iddeo.es>
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:49:37 +1100, "al"
<····@tig.spamsux.com.die.spammer.die.au> wrote:

: which is the best free/shareware implementation for windows nt &/or winnt?
: thanks

As far as the free versions is concerned, I have tried CLisp, Corman
Lisp, Harlequin LispWorks and Allegro and now I am using Allegro.

CLisp and the free version of Corman Lisp run in a DOS box. Both of them
come without limitations but have a little drawback: At least in my
computer, the arrow keys doesn't work. You cannot browse the history
with the up-arrow or even insert text in the middle of a line, but you
have to delete the characters back up to the point you want to change.
AFAIK you cannot customize this but I would be glad to be corrected if I
was wrong. Of course, this is only a remark about how you actually have
to work within your Lisp session and should be considered as a minor
issue.

LispWorks have some limitations: mainly you can be using continuously
the app a maximum of 5 hours IIRC, and there are some features disabled.
Nevertheless, it shows an splash screen when you run the program that I
don't like to see in a free program, although they show the information
remembering that there exist a full version of the program and they
have, of course, the right to do it. AFAIK, again, you cannot disable
that screen.

Allegro Common Lisp is the one I prefer. It comes with some limitations
but they are not important in any event if you are learning Lisp. Also,
the docs are the best of all IMHO and, as the former, it runs the
interpreter in a window, so you can do copy & paste easily, edit the
line you are writing as usual and so on. If you don't want an IDE then
the console version is perfect (I use Vim to write the programs).

As you surely knows, you can get their urls in

   http://www.elwoodcorp.com/alu/table/systems.htm#pcfree

It is worth adding that every implementation represents a huge amount of
work and that it is incredible to have any of the four for free. I would
like to say that I am very grateful to all people that offer this way
their work to the newbies that look for something to begin to practice.

Regards,

-- Shin
From: Reini Urban
Subject: Re: which lisp for windows?
Date: 
Message-ID: <382af294.11798525@judy>
Shin wrote:
>CLisp and the free version of Corman Lisp run in a DOS box. Both of them
>come without limitations but have a little drawback: At least in my
>computer, the arrow keys doesn't work. You cannot browse the history
>with the up-arrow or even insert text in the middle of a line, but you
>have to delete the characters back up to the point you want to change.
>AFAIK you cannot customize this but I would be glad to be corrected if I
>was wrong. Of course, this is only a remark about how you actually have
>to work within your Lisp session and should be considered as a minor
>issue.

Your console problems could be solved by configuring the console in the
windows systems control panel. Enable QuickEdit.
Both just use the system console functionality. CLISP can be built by
using the GNU read-line as well.

With the default nt console (cmd.exe) history and copy/paste is very
easy, paste by right-click if QuickEdit is enabled (similar to unix),
history with up/down.
you can also define even better console shells: 
4nt.exe, cygwin bash.exe or tcsh.exe.
--
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/news/faq/autolisp.html
From: Shin
Subject: Re: which lisp for windows?
Date: 
Message-ID: <382b21cd.47896550@news.iddeo.es>
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:52:48 GMT, ······@xarch.tu-graz.ac.at (Reini Urban)
wrote:

: Shin wrote:
: >CLisp and the free version of Corman Lisp run in a DOS box. Both of them
: >come without limitations but have a little drawback: At least in my
: >computer, the arrow keys doesn't work. You cannot browse the history
: >with the up-arrow or even insert text in the middle of a line, but you
: >have to delete the characters back up to the point you want to change.
: >AFAIK you cannot customize this but I would be glad to be corrected if I
: >was wrong. Of course, this is only a remark about how you actually have
: >to work within your Lisp session and should be considered as a minor
: >issue.
: 
: Your console problems could be solved by configuring the console in the
: windows systems control panel. Enable QuickEdit.
: Both just use the system console functionality. CLISP can be built by
: using the GNU read-line as well.

Thank you very much for your hints.

However, I have tried what you suggest and doesn't work in my CLISP
session as far as the arrow thing concerns. No arrow works, and no
C-P and friends either. I have tried it both in the default console
and with Cygnus B20 bash but without success.

I don't know what should one need to do. Other apps like Mathematica 
for MSDOS, Maple or SWI-Prolog for Windows have that functionality
ready just when you install them and I cannot find out what to do
with those Lisp systems. I would really like to work it out, if it
is possible.

Thanks again,

-- Shin