Hi,
I am really interested in taking a look at Open Genera. I have heard from
a lot of people that it is still better than most the Lisp environments
today. I can barely find any sites about it, no IRC channels about it, and
no mailing lists/newsgroups.
First question, Does anyone know of any mailing lists/newsgroups
specifically about it?
Second question, Is it still available for purchase? if so, from who and
for how much?
Third question, What are the minimum requirements for it? I don't have an
alpha yet, but am looking at picking up a really cheap one, and wanted to
know what the requirements were. Like, how fast of a cpu do I need? how
much ram is good to have? how much hard drive space?
Fourth Question, does it have stuff like email and PPP support, maybe even
a cheap web browser like lynx or something...or is it mainly just a single
user system not intended to be hooked up to the net?
Thanks a lot for any help,
Scott Jaderholm
In article <··························@none>, "." <···@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am really interested in taking a look at Open Genera. I have heard from
> a lot of people that it is still better than most the Lisp environments
> today. I can barely find any sites about it,
Contact Symbolics.
> no IRC channels about it, and
> no mailing lists/newsgroups.
The SLUG mailing list has a news gatewy.
> Second question, Is it still available for purchase? if so, from who and
> for how much?
Symbolics sells it. It costs $5000 (which is pretty cheap, IMHO)
and runs on DEC Alpha. For $5000 you can run it multiple times
on one machine and it comes with a lot of source code.
> Fourth Question, does it have stuff like email and PPP support, maybe even
> a cheap web browser like lynx or something...or is it mainly just a single
> user system not intended to be hooked up to the net?
Open Genera is written in Lisp and has a network support - but
what was in use at around 1990. It has Email, but no web browser,
no IRC, ...
In article <·······················@194.163.195.67>, ······@lavielle.com
(Rainer Joswig) wrote:
> In article <··························@none>, "." <···@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I am really interested in taking a look at Open Genera. I have heard from
> > a lot of people that it is still better than most the Lisp environments
> > today. I can barely find any sites about it,
>
> Contact Symbolics.
Contact Kalman Reti at reti-at-ai.mit.edu (translate the spam scramble first).
He's the point man for Open Genera. (The symbolics.com domain is sometimes
flaky.)
You'll want a fast Alpha, and more RAM and more disk is always better.
> > Second question, Is it still available for purchase? if so, from who and
> > for how much?
>
> Symbolics sells it. It costs $5000 (which is pretty cheap, IMHO)
> and runs on DEC Alpha. For $5000 you can run it multiple times
> on one machine and it comes with a lot of source code.
If you work for an entity of the US Government, it costs $0. Kalman will
send you the CD for the cost of postage. (You still have to buy the
Alpha.)
> > Fourth Question, does it have stuff like email and PPP support, maybe even
> > a cheap web browser like lynx or something...or is it mainly just a single
> > user system not intended to be hooked up to the net?
> Open Genera is written in Lisp and has a network support - but
> what was in use at around 1990. It has Email, but no web browser,
> no IRC, ...
But it runs on top of DEC Unix (not Linux, unfortunately), so all those
tools will be on the Unix side. OG is just another Unix process. And you
can X into it from an X term somewhere else on the net.
Shannon Spires
(format nil ···@~A.~C~C~C" "svspire" "telespin" #\c #\o #\m)
Hi,
> You'll want a fast Alpha, and more RAM and more disk is always better.
What is considered fast enough? I don't have enough money to buy like a
500+Mhz one, but was looking at something around $200-$400.
What is a good amount of ram for pretty good performance? 32mb? And is 1gb
enough? (basically all I am going to have on the machine is Digital UNIX
basic install and maybe GNU Emacs.
Also, How much does Digital Unix cost for home users?
> But it runs on top of DEC Unix (not Linux, unfortunately), so all those
> tools will be on the Unix side. OG is just another Unix process. And you
> can X into it from an X term somewhere else on the net.
There probably aren't any sites that let you do this for free are there? if
so, where? Cause then I could do that from my linux box right? that would
rule, no need to buy an alpha or digital unix...
Thanks,
Scott
Thanks for the info
> The SLUG mailing list has a news gatewy.
Do you have a url for this? (the mailing list that is). Also, what does
SLUG stand for?
> Symbolics sells it. It costs $5000 (which is pretty cheap, IMHO)
> and runs on DEC Alpha. For $5000 you can run it multiple times
> on one machine and it comes with a lot of source code.
Ouch...well I should have known it would cost so much. So much for me
trying it out. I have college to pay for. :(
> Open Genera is written in Lisp and has a network support - but
> what was in use at around 1990. It has Email, but no web browser,
> no IRC, ...
Network support as in for nic cards and ethernet? or does it also have PPP
support?
Thanks,
Scott
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In article <··························@none>, "." <···@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the info
>
> > The SLUG mailing list has a news gatewy.
>
> Do you have a url for this? (the mailing list that is). Also, what does
> SLUG stand for?
It's in the Lisp FAQ.
> > Open Genera is written in Lisp and has a network support - but
> > what was in use at around 1990. It has Email, but no web browser,
> > no IRC, ...
>
> Network support as in for nic cards and ethernet? or does it also have PPP
> support?
It has networking support via the Alpha's Ethernet.
I think there is support for SLIP - no PPP. Don't
know if SLIP works on a Open Genera - well
you can use the stuff from the Alpha's Unix,
since Open Genera runs as a Unix application.
* ···@microsoft.com
|
| I am really interested in taking a look at Open Genera. I have
| heard from a lot of people that it is still better than most the
| Lisp environments today. I can barely find any sites about it, no
| IRC channels about it, and no mailing lists/newsgroups.
You can find some information at:
<URL: http://stony-brook.scrc.symbolics.com/www/ >
--Lars M.
Lars Marius Garshol wrote:
>
> * ···@microsoft.com
> |
> | I am really interested in taking a look at Open Genera. I have
> | heard from a lot of people that it is still better than most the
> | Lisp environments today. I can barely find any sites about it, no
> | IRC channels about it, and no mailing lists/newsgroups.
>
> You can find some information at:
>
> <URL: http://stony-brook.scrc.symbolics.com/www/ >
>
> --Lars M.
I think the URL is old. Try:
<URL: http://www.symbolics.com/ >
- Jong-won