In article <····················@hamlet.zeus.gmd.de>,
·······@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer) writes:
>>>"HB" == Henry Baker schrieb am Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:46:22 GMT:
>
> HB> Excellent point! Such a class usually uses a really bad (slow)
> HB> implementation of Lisp, and no decent parenthesis matching
> HB> editor. Lisp has come a long way from 1965, which is the kind of
> HB> Lisp those courses teach.
>
> This is probably the more important point. When I first saw Lisp it was
> Xlisp on an MS-DOS system with an editor which had no support for Lisp
> in any way. The environment was really bad - I hated the lots of
> parentheses and had troubles seeing any structure in lisp code.
My first introduction to lisp was on an IBM 360-XXX in batch mode! I couldn't
figure out why anyone would want to use lisp as a result. Later, when we got a
Vax 11/780 running BSD, I got hooked on Franz Lisp. An interactive environment
for lisp makes a big difference.
Mike McDonald
·······@engr.sgi.com
In article <··········@fido.asd.sgi.com>, ·······@engr.sgi.com (Mike
McDonald) wrote:
> >>>"HB" == Henry Baker schrieb am Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:46:22 GMT:
> >
> > HB> Excellent point! Such a class usually uses a really bad (slow)
> > HB> implementation of Lisp, and no decent parenthesis matching
> > HB> editor. Lisp has come a long way from 1965, which is the kind of
> > HB> Lisp those courses teach.
> My first introduction to lisp was on an IBM 360-XXX in batch mode! I
couldn't
> figure out why anyone would want to use lisp as a result. Later, when we got a
> Vax 11/780 running BSD, I got hooked on Franz Lisp. An interactive environment
> for lisp makes a big difference.
>
> Mike McDonald
> ·······@engr.sgi.com
I'm no fan of batch processing, but _even in batch processing mode_, Lisp
was still more productive than other batch processing languages I've used
(Fortran, PL/I, assembly, Pascal, etc.).
(Yes, Virginia, there was life before emacs, just like there was life
before indoor plumbing. :-)
Henry Baker wrote:
>
> (Yes, Virginia, there was life before emacs, just like there was life
> before indoor plumbing. :-)
And conversely, I can remember bringing up NIL on a VAX just so I'd have
emacs :-).
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