From: ········@bayou.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Why lisp failed in the marketplace
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Martin Cracauer (········@wavehh.hanse.de) wrote:
: ········@Bayou.UH.EDU (········@bayou.uh.edu) writes:
: >Could you tell me more about LispWorks or point me to a URL
: >for more info? Is it commercial for example or pd? How's
: >the GUI support? Extensions? Etc....?
: It is a "full-priced" commercial Unix implementation. See
: www.harlequin.com. They ship demos versions, as do other Lisp
: companies, so it is quite pointless to comment on the quality and
: usablity here.
Oh the Harlequin lisp! I knew about Lisp Works, I just knew
it as "harliquin's lisp" rather than by the name.
: But related to the actual discussion, Lispworks takes some Lisp
: concepts further than other Lisp implementations on stock hardware.
: Lispworks is an integrated environment with editor and browsers, while
: most other implementations use an external editor and integrate
: manually between Lisp runtime and some tools.
Ok I see.
: The result is that Lispworks has advantages when it comes to a number
: of customizations and programmability (word?) of tools. Die-hard Lisp
: hackers often find the closest possible integration of running Lisp
: and tools used to program it just right. Others find it important to
: use their Lisp from the same editor they use for everything
: else. Die-harder Lisp fans will of course use the Lispworks editor for
: everything else, too :-)
: In that way, like Rainer said, it is closer to the environment of a
: Lisp machine than most other stock-hardware Lisps are. Of course, it
: has it disadvantages, too. You can shoot your editor by killing your
: Lisp image and you can't use normal elisp code for the editor (what
: Franz Allgro can). See the ralated thread about editors going on just
: now in comp.lang.lisp.
Ahhh I see.
: Lispworks has a number of extensions (Prolog, database access,
: interface to knowledgeworks) and advanced GUI building tools.
: As I said, demo versions are your friend. MCL and CMUCL/Hemlock are
: other integrated Common Lisp/Editor/Tools systems.
Yup. I'm currently trying out DrScheme. It's a great system,
but it swaps like crazy on my system (Win95/16 megs RAM). Maybe
it's my setup *shrug*. In any case I tried Allegro Common Lisp
(demo), and something by Harlequin (not sure if it was Lisp works
or some other demo), but I really prefer DrScheme so far.
: Martin
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Thanks for the info.
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Cya,
Ahmed