From: Rainer Joswig
Subject: Re: Why lisp failed in the marketplace
Date: 
Message-ID: <joswig-ya023180002002971825160001@news.lavielle.com>
In article <··········@fido.asd.sgi.com>, ·······@engr.sgi.com (Mike
McDonald) wrote:

>   While, I've tried most of these already. And most don't work! STk kills my X
> server. Elk with Tk gets memory violations. CLX is essentially Xlib in Lisp.
> (That's what I use for simple things, before resorting to C/C++ with
> Motif/Xaw.) It's not a GUI library. ACL does not give away their full system
> for free for lInux. They give the base system away (with CLX) for free.
> Currently, none of the GUI packages are available. When I looked at Xlips 2.X,
> it did not have any GUI capability. Xlisp-stat had some simple graphical
> windows last time I looked. (Easy things to do in CLX.)
> 
>   Anyway, you missed my point. There are many incomplete, incompatible
> libraries for GUIs under various forms of lisp. I attribute there being
so many
> to the lack of a full function, "standardized" version. So, everyone just
hacks
> up a partial solution that works for them.
> 
>   Mike McDonald
>   ·······@engr.sgi.com

This is why I would see a free version of CLIM.

Or if people don't like CLIM we have to come up with something
different.

Sigh.

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From: Cyber Surfer
Subject: Re: Why lisp failed in the marketplace
Date: 
Message-ID: <MPG.d77c2b565ced6809896e0@news.demon.co.uk>
With a mighty <·································@news.lavielle.com>,
······@lavielle.com wibbled into the void...

> This is why I would see a free version of CLIM.

Is there a spec for CLIM available on the Internet?
 
> Or if people don't like CLIM we have to come up with something
> different.

We should have _something_, as standard. The only C++ compiler that 
I've used that didn't have a C++ framework for GUI apps _as standard_ 
was a compiler for DOS. For Windows, the MFC framework is becoming the 
de facto standard. At least it isn't an optional extra, like CLIM is 
for Lisp. MFC is either available for a C++ compiler or it isn't.
 
> Sigh.

Seconded.
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