two points:
there are many languages that need discipline and abstraction facilities
for best use, so nothing new there. the distinction is the extent to which
languages bring such abstraction facilities [and some cases, discipline and
bondage :)] from the start; tcl has a few of its own, and such things as
[incr tcl] prove that it can be extended with new ones.
different people seem to lose it with different languages in different
ways. programming effort is not something to be judged only by commentary
but by actual working code of people who obviously have not lost it. [for
a max-out example, i count 102 files and ~36000 lines for exmh, an excellent
front-end for mh mailer]
oz